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Re: [RFI] New RFI

To: Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] New RFI
From: K9MA <k9ma@sdellington.us>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:21:11 -0600
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Hi Don,

My experience is very similar to yours, using the MFJ-856. To make sure I have the right source, I relay the audio from the HF receiver at home, and listen for a matching pattern on 135 MHz. My crude attenuator consists of two shorting straps, but it works. In this urban area, with its high background noise level, I find I can usually hear a bothersome source on 135 MHz right out the front door. The ones I've found have generally been within a half mile or so.

I've also found that I often have to rotate the VHF antenna to account for polarization. The initial bearing I get with the HF antenna at home, however, is usually pretty close.

The MFJ-856 does have an S meter, which is useful. Using a receiver without one, you really have to use an attenuator. What you're doing there is using the receiver's minimum discernible signal as a reference. That can work. However, just walking around with a receiver with AGC tells you very little unless it has an S-meter. Even then, often the S-meter resolution is very poor.

I just built a 20 meter shielded loop, which I'll try out next time.

On 1/13/2021 7:22 AM, Don Kirk wrote:
Hi Scott,

The Moxon sounds interesting and I will have to build one for my tool box of DF antennas, nevertheless let me share my experience with my 136 MHz 4 element portable Yagi that has very deep nulls off the side that I use with a portable AM receiver for locating power line noise.  While a deep null on 136 MHz is indeed very helpful, even with a deep null I find that I need to switch in a lot of attenuation when close to the suspect pole and especially to make sure I have identified the faulty pole.  I typically switch in 20 to 30 dB of attenuation but in a few cases I have had to use 40 dB of attenuation (40 dB of attenuation when the poles were very close to each other as an example).  When I feel I have located the faulty pole I will stand between the suspect pole and the adjacent pole but off to the side of the power line (maybe 25 to 50 feet off to the side of the power line as an example) and then I just use the main lobe of the beam to determine which pole is the faulty pole (really very simple).  I say I'm using the main lobe but of course the deep null is coming into play as that's part of the antennas directivity.  Also vertical versus horizontal orientation of the Yagi sometimes is helpful in determining the suspect pole versus the adjacent pole.

When using 136 MHz and my 4 element portable yagi I can typically hear the suspect pole from at least 0.1 to 0.2 miles away and in some cases more than 0.5 miles away when not using attenuation, and then I just add in attenuation as I approach the suspect pole.  My 136 MHz receiver does not have an S-meter but as long as I use adequate attenuation an S meter is absolutely not needed.

I have had cases where the power lines more than 2 miles away were radiating the RFI so strong on MF and HF that I swore I was very close to the suspect pole but then when using 136 MHz nothing was heard (thankfully).

When approaching the suspect pole if needing to walk along power lines when listening on 136 MHz I can sometimes hear the RFI a good distance down the line (many poles down the line) from the suspect pole (can sometimes hear the standing waves too), so I once again switch in attenuation to help reduce what I am hearing.  I will also get away from the power lines to get a new bearing to make sure I have not walked past the suspect pole, etc.  I used to do a lot of intentional triangulation when close but now often just walk toward the RFI using the peak and null to determine which way to go.

I use MF and HF direction finding (and intentional triangulation when needed) to get me within range where I can then start hearing the RFI on 136 MHz, and on MF and HF I have to often stay very far away from existing power lines in order to get a true heading on the source of RFI versus getting tricked by radiation of the nearby lines.

I also built my own very simple 437 MHz Yagi that I use with an SDR receiver running on my laptop and will occasionally use it to double check that I have indeed identified the correct pole, but only use it for confirmation as I find 136 MHz much more useful for direction finding in conjunction with the use of attenuators since I don't hear the RFI on 437 MHz unless I'm right on top of the suspect pole (lets say within 100 feet and sometimes less as an example based on my limited experience using 437 MHz).

P.S. my 4 element 136 MHz Yagi is just an old cushcraft 2 meter beam in which I lengthened the tip of each element by approximately 1.4 inches using alligator clips based on modeling I did using 4NEC2, and it works great (no need to change element spacing).

Just FYI based on my experience tracking down power line RFI for myself and others.
Don (wd8dsb)


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Scott  K9MA

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