I have been made aware that several have responded to my email with no
response from me in return, although I have received some just fine. This
morning I found several unusual mails in my Norton spam box, some with
partial ham calls. If you tried to mail me, try again using your call and
"radio" in the subject line. I will watch for any spam rejections and
contact you. Sry for the trouble. There is a nasty "mydoom" virus among
others on our Realtors and MLS alert notice so I cannot drop the protection.
Thanks, Tommy WD4K
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1. WTB: MIC (Curt Krelic)
2. RE: Ten Tec / Scott (Rick Westerman)
3. Re: Re: Using Orion with existing 961 PSU (Tim Heasman)
4. RE: Ten Tec / Scott
5. RE: Ten Tec / Scott (Richard Detweiler)
6. Re: Ten Tec / Scott
7. off topic tuner tuner (John)
8. Re: Ten Tec / Scott (Steve Baron - KB3MM)
9. Re: "PTT CW" vs. PTT-controlled CW redux (Sinisa Hristov)
10. RE: off topic tuner tuner (Chuck (Jack) Hawley)
11. 705 Mic (John L Merrill)
12. FS: Tentec Accessories (Danny Shaver)
13. Re: off topic tuner tuner (John)
14. FS: Orion #10c10503 (1.367) (dt)
15. Re: "PTT CW" vs. PTT-controlled CW redux
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:35:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Krelic <k3ey@yahoo.com>
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Subject: [TenTec] WTB: MIC
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Looking for a Mic either hand or desk that will fit a
Delta II. 4 pin
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:41:22 +0100
From: "Rick Westerman" <Rick@dj0ip.de>
To: <Rick@dj0ip.de>, <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: RE: [TenTec] Ten Tec / Scott
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Well, of all the stupid things I've pulled off in my life, this
one's near the top of the list!
Obviously my previous post was intended to be directed privately
to Yuri.
Maybe it was a Freudian Slip. After all, I had only two
intentions with that post:
1. I would like to stop the bickering here and return the group
to maximum productivity.
2. I honestly think that Yuri and Scott together as a team in the
next WRTC could beat anything the rest of the world has to throw
at them! There was a time that this was an option. I'd like to
see it happen.
If at the end of the day, they actually do end up together (and
win) then the result will be that I'm still a silly fool who
hasn't yet learned how to use these group forums!
I'll quit now while I'm behind.
73
Rick
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:49:17 +0000
From: Tim Heasman <tim@t-d-heasman.freeserve.co.uk>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Re: Using Orion with existing 961 PSU
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Hi all,
Thanks for the comments and advice on the above.
73
Tim g4lmh
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:51:23 +0000
From: ac5e@comcast.net
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Subject: RE: [TenTec] Ten Tec / Scott
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Rick, don't feel badly about it. I think every regular poster on this list
has done exactly the same thing. And by the way - I agree with you.
73 Pete Allen AC5E
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:08:36 -0600
From: "Richard Detweiler" <rdetweil@hotmail.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [TenTec] Ten Tec / Scott
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I gotta laugh, sorry but it's funny.
Hope we all can contribute in one way or another.
73's
Rich
K5SF
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>Rick, don't feel badly about it. I think every regular poster on this list
>has done exactly the same thing. And by the way - I agree with you.
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:24:35 EST
From: K3BU@aol.com
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ten Tec / Scott
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In a message dated 2/27/04 6:41:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rick@dj0ip.de
writes:
>>1. I would like to stop the bickering here and return the group
to maximum productivity.
2. I honestly think that Yuri and Scott together as a team in the
next WRTC could beat anything the rest of the world has to throw
at them! There was a time that this was an option. I'd like to
see it happen.<<
I am sorry to be the cause of all this, but my involvement was to help,
offer
this contester's opinion, to contribute to improvements and to make Orion
truly contester's favorite radio. I had some previous bad experiences for
being
ridiculed while being right by another "guru" on other reflectors and looks
like this tuned me for "biting" mode when the personal jabs were aimed in my
direction.
It is the lent, time for forgiveness and I will join other "goys" in
meditation and repentment and will go to see Mel's movie to get humbled by
One who
suffered for us sinners.
Thank you TT (and "diplomats") for being receptive to our critique,
suggestions and requests.
73 Yuri, K3BU
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:28:06 -0500
From: "John" <brazos@rochester.rr.com>
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I am looking at the palomar tuner tuner to put between my Jupiter and =
centurion has anyone used this piece of equipment ? does it work ? =
thanks John kb2hukFrom rohre@arlut.utexas.edu Fri Feb 27 20:30:36 2004
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Sure it works, very nicely. But a far more economical one is to get the kit
from Ten Tec T kits and build it in one evening and use that.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:39:38 -0000
From: "Steve Baron - KB3MM" <SteveBaron@StarLinX.com>
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ten Tec / Scott
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Crazy reply behavior strikes again ?
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> Rick, don't feel badly about it. I think every regular poster on this list
has done exactly the same thing. And by the way - I agree with you.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:00:04 -0500
From: Sinisa Hristov <shristov@ptt.yu>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] "PTT CW" vs. PTT-controlled CW redux
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Richard Detweiler wrote:
> In CW Mode, when the PTT line is lowered or closed, the antenna
> relays would go to TX position and the audio would be muted, that's all
> that's needed, The CW key would then do the rest as normal.
I don't think that's "all that's needed". Here's what's actually needed.
Upon PTT closure the transmitter must get ready to send CW code
before the first keying pulse arrives in order to avoid chopping it,
like it does now. Minimum "PTT setup time to key down" shall be specified.
Upon PTT termination the transceiver must switch to receive as fast
as possible and as clean as possible, disregarding the "CW QSK Delay"
setting. Also the AMP KEY line must get deactivated as fast as possible,
disregarding the "External T/R" setting. Minimum "PTT hold time from key up"
shall be specified.
73,
Sinisa YT1NT, VA3TTN
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:58:35 -0600
From: "Chuck (Jack) Hawley" <c-hawley@uiuc.edu>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: RE: [TenTec] off topic tuner tuner
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It works, but you will be better off with an MFJ or Autek impedance/swr
meter. You have to be just as careful not to transmit into either one, and
the meter is more useful. I assume you want to tune a tuner w/o power.
Chuck, KE9UW
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> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of John
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 19:28 PM
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: [TenTec] off topic tuner tuner
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>
> I am looking at the palomar tuner tuner to put between my
> Jupiter and centurion has anyone used this piece of equipment ?
> does it work ? thanks John kb2huk
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:00:58 -0500
From: "John L Merrill" <jmerrill1@adelphia.net>
To: "Tentec" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: [TenTec] 705 Mic
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I have one too many 705 mics. $65 shipped.
John N1JM
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:08:58 -0600
From: "Danny Shaver" <n5nbk@nortexinfo.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: [TenTec] FS: Tentec Accessories
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All in excellent condition from non smoking household. All accessories match
Omni V and VI series (gray).
Model 961 power supply $125.00
Model 307 Speaker $ 75.00
Model 705 desk mike $ 65.00
Prices do not including shipping
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:14:38 -0500
From: "John" <brazos@rochester.rr.com>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] off topic tuner tuner
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Yup you are correct , I want to tune my nye viking and my centurion ,
jupiter with out transmitting . thanks I will check out the other guys
John
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> It works, but you will be better off with an MFJ or Autek impedance/swr
> meter. You have to be just as careful not to transmit into either one, and
> the meter is more useful. I assume you want to tune a tuner w/o power.
>
> Chuck, KE9UW
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
> > [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of John
> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 19:28 PM
> > To: tentec@contesting.com
> > Subject: [TenTec] off topic tuner tuner
> >
> >
> > I am looking at the palomar tuner tuner to put between my
> > Jupiter and centurion has anyone used this piece of equipment ?
> > does it work ? thanks John kb2huk
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:49:08 -0600
From: dt <pattaya@direcpc.com>
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Subject: [TenTec] FS: Orion #10c10503 (1.367)
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We've had this one 33 days.
At 72 yr. plus, I find that I don't have the talent to fly this machine
and make it do barrel rolls, spins, and figure eights it is capable of.
It doesn't like my vibroplex bug and I'm too old to learn how to use those
dang automatic things.
No tuner,
includes unopened goodie bag ,
unopened remote key pad,
and Heil mic adapter that is wired correctly. (some aren't)
Manual has six 'high lite' marks .
We'd sell it for 500 below our cost.
Drasco is about 90 miles north of Little Rock.
We'd meet you half way or you could come see it on the desk.
.
Doug,
n5ect
wd5r
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:23:20 +0000
From: kd4d@comcast.net
To: sales@tentec.com;, tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] "PTT CW" vs. PTT-controlled CW redux
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Hi Scott:
Thanks for the information, but I'm afraid I didn't understand your
posting. I think this is largely semantics, but let me ask a couple
of questions so we are speaking the same language.
1. How can you defeat QSK in the Orion and operate PTT CW? What
does PTT CW mean in this context?
2. I understand, and have used, semi-break-in CW. Many Japanese
rigs call it "VOX." There's a VOX DELAY which they set (very
similar to the TenTec QSK DELAY) to control it. The same setting
often applies to both SSB and CW operation.
I see the difference between PTT and semi-break-in in CW and
PTT verses VOX in SSB as the exact same issue. I don't see
an equivalent to QSK for SSB.
I clearly don't understand what you mean by PTT for CW.
Is it something different than PTT for SSB?
3. What is "PTT Control" of CW? I don't understand this.
BTW, I used an Orion in the 160 contest. What I did was to
let the Orion operate QSK and fed the computer PTT signal
directly to the amplifier. Other than rather loud sidetone
key clicks on CW, which I normally didn't hear because I was
listening to the other radio, it worked fine. I'm not sure
I managed to use the AGC to best advantage, but I'll learn!
The only real issue I see is having to reconfigure between
SSB, where PTT goes to the Orion from the computer/DVP/DVK,
and CW, where PTT goes to the amplifier from the computer.
Thanks and 73.
Mark, KD4D
>
> At 09:19 AM 2/27/04 -0600, you wrote:
> K5SF wrote:
>
> >I think the PTT is a similar issue. I've heard of at least one
contesting
> >club move whole heartedly into the Orion, I've heard others shy away for
> >lack of things important to them. There is more than one web site for
> >contesting that has said a tactic for reducing fatigue is to switch to
PTT
> >during low activity. During High activity, the QSK is useful to catch
the
> >caller that hits just as you start to call CQ. So this is a little
> >different than ice cream, there are points about it both sides. Does the
> >PTT disqualify a rig? now that's an ice cream choice.
>
> Richard, take this in the polite spirit intended:
>
> This is what makes it hard to discuss these issues - because the way this
> is presented here
> is NOT the PTT issue that was being debated. You can defeat the QSK in
the
> Orion,
> as-is and operate "PTT CW", just as you have described above. Switching
> back and
> forth from PTT to QSK when PTT -control- of CW is in place, is not an
> option. PTT
> -control- is used when other devices need the proper sequencing for
> switching, and/or
> the operator wants to precisely control the start and stop of MOX CW
> operation.
>
> This is completely different from the issue of PTT -control- of CW
transmit
> where it was
> suggested that Ten-Tec had no clue about engineering decisions vis-a-vis
> the ham
> community's needs and that I personally didn't know anything about the
> needs of the
> "serious" CW contest operator. Which led to me blowing up on the
> reflector about
> the issue - I should have kept my comments about what I think about the
station
> engineering of other contest operators to myself. "PTT or semi-break in
> CW" is
> something I personally use fairly often in contests. PTT -control- of
CW,
> is not.
>
> Squeaky wheel gets the grease, though. I insisted that PTT -control- of
CW
> was not
> something we were going to consider with the Orion AND that the
engineering
> decision
> to do so was the correct one. It was still the correct engineering
> decision - but we'll
> look into adding MOX PTT control of CW transmit as a future firmware
> upgrade.
> Someone above me here at Ten-Tec put it to me very succinctly about this
> issue in the
> last few weeks: It's not about right, in this case. Meaning, even
though
> it may not
> be "right", why not go ahead and put it in there?
>
> Good point. I'll leave it at that.
>
> 73
> Scott Robbins W4PA
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