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Re: [TenTec] SB-220 Tubes and QSK

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] SB-220 Tubes and QSK
From: "Chuck & Vicki Tifft" <cftifft@sbcglobal.net>
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:25:36 -0700
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I would respectfully disagree. There are lots of Tube final backups out 
there and still some primaries...Smaller markets just don't get the Capital 
budgets that larger ones do..Many of the large groups buy the good stuff for 
the larger markets and send the junk on down the line to the tail draggers. 
I spent a lot of my broadcast career installing the new and moving the junk 
down the line for a couple of them... I would be afraid to make the 
statement that NO US  50 KW station runs a tube PA ... you may be right, but 
I would be a little leary to say it because there are a lot 50KW stations 
out there..By the way I
installed the 1st 50 KW AM Broadcast transmitter in the US..1985 
...KBMR --1130  Bismarck, ND..A Nautel. S/N 2
number 1 was in Canada.....We went through our share of VMOS FET's keeping 
that baby putting out 50KW, but when all  the transistors were good, she 
would do about 65KW!!!     22 years later it still pops some FETs now and 
then, but it's still running except at only 10KW now.....Several years ago 
they brought up another 50KW on 710 and due to a license foul ups they had 
to drop 1130 back to 10 KW or loose it.

73's
Chuck
W6RD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Atkinson" <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] SB-220 Tubes and QSK


> Hi Jerry,
>
> It's not about dBs; it's about paying your money and expecting a
> certain level of performance and having the product deliver that.  You
> don't _have_ to run it flat out, but in the case of amps, (as I've
> said before) If I pay X thousand dollars for a 1.5 kw amp, I damn well
> had better be getting one that can put out 1.5 kw, a.k.a. If I'd
> wanted a 1 kw amp, that's what I would have bought.
>
> Now, here we have some poor fella who got a pair of RF Parts 3-500Zs
> and he's got some pleasure from the fact that they put out 20% more
> goo than his old tubes and you have to pour cold water on him.  Don't
> you feel great?
>
> I won't get into the other business of how his 20% power increase
> helps counter other system losses in feedlines, tank circuits and
> ground loss and how it all adds up.  You're the engineer; I'm sure you
> know it all already.
>
> By the way, no 50 Kw AM broadcast station runs a vacuum tube primary
> anymore.  They've all been running solid state harris and nautels for
> years.  some don't even have tube backups.   In fact, no u.s. radio
> broadcast station of any type runs tubes unless they can't afford a
> new tx.   The solid state rigs pay for themselves in a few years of
> operation.   You can get a new solid state 250 w. AM for about what an
> Icom Pro III costs.  About the size of a flie cabinet drawer, it'll
> sit there in a rack and hum along for years.   The only problem at the
> tx site these days is crack heads pulling up the radials to sell for
> scrap copper and yahoos shooting out the tower lamps.
>
> 73,
>
> rob / k5uj
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