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[TenTec] POSSIBLE REBUTTAL TO JB

To: Rick - NJ0IP / DJ0IP <Rick@DJ0IP.de>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: [TenTec] POSSIBLE REBUTTAL TO JB
From: Richards <jrichards@k8jhr.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 03:15:16 -0500
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HI -- I WROTE THIS REBUTTAL TO GOOD OL' JB BUT I DID NOT SEND IT AND PROBABLY WON'T - BUT WONDER IF IT MAKES SENSE AND IF NOT, WHY NOT... HE JUST BURNS ME UP WHEN HE BLOWS ME OFF BY SAYING I AM IGNORANT... THAT IS NOT AN ARGUMENT, IT IS JUST NAME CALLING...

OHHHHH..... HE BURNS ME UP...

ANY REASON THIS LOGIC IS WRONG?

        Note - Again I did not send it and probably won't
        but I am sick and tired of his being a bully instead
        of a teacher.



        -- JHR  --

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On 1/17/2014 4:43 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

No, there is a gap in your knowledge of fundamental electricity and
electronics.


        OK... once again, you tell me I am ignorant, rather
        than explaining it.    One does not need an
        engineering degree to get this.

        
        FACT - switch mode supplies are often noisy.   In fact,
        the new Chinese supplies have a knob to "shift" the
        noise when it adversely affects the operating frequency.
        You can debate whether or not that is "good engineering"
        practice, but there it is.

        FACT - linear supplies seem inherently less problematic,
        and don't seem to have these extra noise controls.

        FACT - historically, when switch mode supplies first
        arrived on the scene, there were many complaints about
        excessive noise - certainly more or different types of
        complaints than hams were expressing about linear supplies.
        
        If switch mode supplies were not inherently noisy, there
        would be no discussion about whether or not "good
        engineering practice" has sufficiently masked, suppressed
        or fixed them to make them useful in the shack.

        Your spin makes it sound like there is no issue or
        problem at all, and I don't accept that.




No, we simply follow good engineering practice when designing and
manufacturing the product in question.


        
        OK... I guess what you call "good engineering practice,"
        - I call masking and suppressing noise.  Manufactures
        have "improved" them over time, but I do not believe
        they have done a complete job of it.

        
        FACT - Ten Tec sells switch mode supplies it concedes
        make noise outside the ham bands - rendering them
        useless when using their own general coverage receivers.
        This does not happen with a linear supply.


        So, you can call me ignorant...again... and smother me
        with a vitae of advanced degrees...but the fact is,
        I prefer linear supplies because they seem to be
        inherently less problematic, much quieter and do not
        produce the same noise my TenTec switch mode supply does.

        Paul Clinton admits switch mode supplies are noisy,
        but TT does not care, because they don't make noise in
        the ham bands.  Apparently they are not intended to
        work with their general coverage receivers and other
        radios.

        


Enough with dumb analogies.  Go to the ARRL Handbook and study the
fundamentals.


        I read that, and it sounds like switch mode supplies make
        noise that "good engineering pracitce"  is supposed to
        mask or suppress.    But, calling me names does not
        provide an explanation... It takes logic, science, and
        a little patience to accomplish that.

        The discussion is based on the fact that switching
        mode supplies are inherently noisy - or at least more
        noisy than linear supplies.   It did not just arise
        out of nothing.

        Anyone wanna buy my Ten-Tec switch mode power supply ??





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