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Subject: [TowerTalk] Gin Pole Strength
From: w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 01:03:49 -0700
Stan Griffiths wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans,
> 
> I can't disagree with you strongly enough.  I'm right, and I know
> it.  The question is, what will happen when all you guys who are
> disagreeing with me finally discover that I AM right?  Will anyone
> actually admit it?
> 
> This is basic high school physics stuff . . .
> 
> I am sorry if I insult you, but I am 100% certain of my position on
> this . . .
> 
> Stan  w7ni@teleport.com
> 
> Hans K0HB wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, April 02, 1999 7:37 PM, Stan Griffiths
> > [SMTP:w7ni@teleport.com] wrote:
> >
> > >  Here is what you are missing:  The gin pole has to support
> > >  TWICE the weight of  the load since the load pulls down on
> > > one side of the gin pole and the rope you are pulling on to
> > > raise the load is pulling down on the  other side of the gin
> > >  pole.  The gin pole sees both of these down pulls and has to
> > >  hold them BOTH, or  twice the weight of the load.
> >
> > >
> > >  By using a block and tackle, you can reduce the pull on the
> > > rope you are using  to lift the load.  If you use a 3 to 1
> > > block and tackle, you reduce the pulling force to 1/3 of the
> > > weight and reduce the total load carried  by the gin pole.
> >
> > > Here is an example:
> > >
> > >  Supposing your big mast weights 200 pounds.  Pulling it up
> > >  with a normal gin  pole with nothing but a pully at the top
> > > means it must support 400 pounds.  If  you use a block and
> > > tackle, you can cut the pulling force
> > > down to 67 pounds and the gin pole now has to support only
> > > 267 pounds instead of  400 pounds.
> >
> > Wrong.  Just plain wrong.  While the block and tackle gives
> > you a mechanical advantage, the gin pole is carrying
> > *only* the weight of the antenna (200 pounds), either with
> > a single pulley at the top, or with the multiple pulley
> > arrangement of the block and tackle.  In fact, the added
> > weight of the extra pulleys and rope places a greater
> > strain on the gin pole than just a single pulley at the
> > top.
> >
> > 73, Hans, K0HB
Hi Hans,

I can't disagree with you strongly enough.  I'm right, and I
know
it.  The question is, what will happen when all you guys who
are
disagreeing with me finally discover that I AM right?  Will
anyone
actually admit it?

This is basic high school physics stuff . . .

I am sorry if I insult you, but I am 100% certain of my
position on
this . . .

Stan  w7ni@teleport.com

Hans K0HB wrote:

> On Friday, April 02, 1999 7:37 PM, Stan Griffiths
> [SMTP:w7ni@teleport.com] wrote:
>
> >  Here is what you are missing:  The gin pole has to support
> >  TWICE the weight of  the load since the load pulls down on
> > one side of the gin pole and the rope you are pulling on to
> > raise the load is pulling down on the  other side of the gin
> >  pole.  The gin pole sees both of these down pulls and has to
> >  hold them BOTH, or  twice the weight of the load.
>
> >
> >  By using a block and tackle, you can reduce the pull on the
> > rope you are using  to lift the load.  If you use a 3 to 1
> > block and tackle, you reduce the pulling force to 1/3 of the
> > weight and reduce the total load carried  by the gin pole.
>
> > Here is an example:
> >
> >  Supposing your big mast weights 200 pounds.  Pulling it up
> >  with a normal gin  pole with nothing but a pully at the top
> > means it must support 400 pounds.  If  you use a block and
> > tackle, you can cut the pulling force
> > down to 67 pounds and the gin pole now has to support only
> > 267 pounds instead of  400 pounds.
>
> Wrong.  Just plain wrong.  While the block and tackle gives
> you a mechanical advantage, the gin pole is carrying
> *only* the weight of the antenna (200 pounds), either with
> a single pulley at the top, or with the multiple pulley
> arrangement of the block and tackle.  In fact, the added
> weight of the extra pulleys and rope places a greater
> strain on the gin pole than just a single pulley at the
> top.
>
> 73, Hans, K0HB



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