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From: jreisert@jlc.net (Joe Reisert)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:24:43 -0400
Steve,

With the G5RV dipole, you get reasonable VSWR on the major bands. On 80 
meters it may get to 3:1 or so at edge of band but all my rigs with built 
in tuners worked fine and never used an external tuner.

There is a myth out there, perhaps started by G5RV himself (!), that 80-100 
feet of coax is needed. If you think about that a minute, you'll see that 
the only purpose of the long piece of coax is to lower the VSWR (due to 
it's inherent loss).

The easiest way to feed a G5RV antenna is to use a 1:1 current balun at the 
end of the 450 OHm feed line (about 30-35 feet from the center of the 
dipole). I use a W1JR type current balun, about 12-14 turns of RG142 or 
RG303 PTFE 50 Ohm coax wound on a 2.4" diameter toroid. I also have used 
about 50 ferrite beads like the W2DU balun. They al;l work great and many 
are available commercially.

My son Jim, AD1C, has a similar G5RV only up 30-35 feet and has worked over 
325 DXCC in the last 4 or 5 years! The G5RV is a compromise antenna that 
does work and is not a DUMMY LOAD!

73,

Joe, W1JR

At 01:08 AM 7/6/2002 -0700, Steve G. wrote:
>Yep...  it's hard to beat these simplistic center-fed antennas that Tom 
>has described.  Just match or "tune" these low loss antenna systems 
>(system = antenna and balanced feed line) with a capable tuner, and work 
>the world.  A combination of low and high ones like the 100'  or 135' 
>models would serve stateside and DX interests.  Just take into 
>consideration their patterns when changing bands.  BTW, many articles have 
>been written on these balanced line, center fed antennas.  They show the 
>patterns, takeoff angles, and the varying amounts of gain they have for 
>each band, considering different heights above ground.  I'm sure someone 
>can point out the specific articles - I remember one in QST a few years 
>back.  Who needs a G5RV with it's coaxial losses if you can bring "ladder" 
>or open wire line into your shack?  With a complete balanced line run from 
>the tuner to the antenna, these are SUPERIOR and ELEGANT.  I've enjoyed 
>them at different locations over the years... though I sure wish they were 
>at 100+ feet like Tom's!
>
>73, Steve, KZ9G
>
>At 01:20 AM 7/6/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>>A *simple* solution to the 100 ft space limited antenna problem
>>is to just install a 100 ft center fed dipole using Ladder Line feeders
>>and an Antenna Tuner such as a Johnson Matchbox.
>>
>>I have 4 Ladderline fed antennas (2 - 80M dipoles, 1 - 100 ft CF,
>>1 - 20M dipole) which I use extensively on 80M the WARC bands.
>>I have worked over 320 countries on each of those 4 bands.
>>(OK, the 80M dipoles are at 130 ft and the 100 ft CF is at 100 ft)
>>
>>Tom  N4KG
>>
>>On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 "S. Markowski Jr." <km9m-zig@attbi.com> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Van K7VS wrote:
>> >
>> > > with a g5rv,  keep your antenna tuner handy as you WILL need it
>> > for all
>> > > bands.  Certainly a compromise antenna but useful in some
>> > instances.
>> >
>> > You "CAN" work alot of DX with a G5RV and 100 watts. You will learn
>> > one new character trait.....
>> > "PATIENCE"!
>> > 73,
>> > Zig KM9M
>> >
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