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RE: [TowerTalk] Site Grounding

To: Tony King - W4ZT <towertalk@w4zt.com>
Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Site Grounding
From: kb9cry@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:00:45 +0000
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I don't think strength has anything to do with the potential problem.  I may be 
wrong, I'd defer to the experts, but it may not have the current carrying 
capacity of a mechanical or bonded (Cadweld) joint.  The solder may melt during 
a high current surge.  Phil  KB9CRY
> Not if it is done properly... when properly brazed, it's a sweat joint with 
> a much higher strength material.  Now if it's just glopped on like so many 
> do their solder joints, it's not worth the time doing it.
> 
> Tony W4ZT
> 
> At 10:33 AM 10/21/2003, kb9cry@comcast.net wrote:
> >I believe a brazed joint will pop open if hit with a lightning induced 
> >surge.  Phil  KB9CRY
> > > If you have but one chance to bury in the ditches and you're pressed for
> > > time, go get some copper plumbing pipe.  Brazing the joints would be best.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > At 09:57 AM 10/21/2003, Eric Scace K3NA wrote:
> > > >Hi Warren --
> > > >
> > > >    I would not bury braid for this application.  Braid corrodes quickly
> > > > when exposed.  As others have pointed out, corroded braid
> > > >develops a significant impedance at RF, which is not what one wants in a
> > > >grounding system.
> > > >
> > > >    You would be better off getting some lengths of copper flashing such
> > > > as that used for roofs or gutters.  2-3" wide flashing is
> > > >fine.  This gives a very low impedance ground than solid large-diameter
> > > >copper wire, and is much less expensive.
> > > >
> > > >    Good luck with your project.
> > > >
> > > >-- Eric K3NA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: WarrenWolff@aol.com [mailto:WarrenWolff@aol.com]
> > > >Sent: 2003 October 21 Tuesday 00:30
> > > >To: eric@k3na.org
> > > >Cc: WarrenWolff@aol.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Site Grounding
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi Eric,
> > > >
> > > >I tried to log back on to Tower Talk, but it seems I must have inserted
> > > >some strange character in my access info.  Could not get in.
> > > >Not sure if I was successful in contacting the list administrator for 
> > help.
> > > >
> > > >I am retiring at Lake Havasu City AZ in 2005; ground is notoriously poor
> > > >there despite what the Antenna Handbook says is "just
> > > >poor".
> > > >
> > > >So, I thought as my neighbor was installing a 184 wall with a very deep
> > > >foundation and I am butting a 131 foot wall against his, I
> > > >could take advantage of these "long" ditches and place a long run
> > > >of grounding conductor in the bottom of the ditches.  Then, it would be a
> > > >short run to either/both of my towers for lightning
> > > >protection.  I would go ahead and run the multiple short
> > > >grounding/dissipators as typically recommended.  I would also space some
> > > >copper rods along the run.   There also
> > > >is a lot more lightning there than the handbook says, as well.
> > > >
> > > >One person responded that braid was not a good move.  So, I guess I have
> > > >more to learn yet.  Want to get the most reliable routing
> > > >to ground for the lightning protection, first, and then for entire
> > > >station.  I have printed a bunch of stuff from the Internet for
> > > >reading, too.
> > > >
> > > >I am blessed to find that there are no tower height limits at the
> > > >lake.  So I will achieve my dream of a big 40 m yagi plus some
> > > >nice multiband gadget on the other tower.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for your response to my posting.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,  Warren
> > > >
> > > >
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