| You overlooked one other complicating factor, feedline length. The 
length of the feedline on the unused antenna determines if the unused 
antenna looks resonant or not. 
 Considering only two of the antennas for the moment, if the upper 
antenna is unused and has a multiple of a half wavelength of feedline 
attached and the source end open, the lower antenna would look much the 
same as any other inverted vee at the same height.  If the top feedline 
happened to be an odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength and the source end 
open, nearly all the radiation from the lower antenna goes straight up. 
Other feedline lengths cause all sorts of radiation pattern changes, and 
everything reverses if the unused end is shorted instead of open.
 
 Experimental A/B testing of closely mounted antennas with uncontrolled 
parameters of feedline length and source impedance can produce some 
really weird results.
 
 On the other hand, using controlled feedline lengths and switching 
source impedance can produce different patterns which may be useful.  
More useful patterns can be obtained by feeding two or more antennas. 
You can get some gain, or for the ultimate NVIS antenna (if you really 
want that) try feeding two of the antennas 180 degrees out of phase.
 
 Jerry, K4SAV
 
 David Gilbert wrote:
 
 
 Hi, Rick.
 
 Those are interesting comments, so I modeled it up with EZNEC with 
approximately resonant antennas to see what it looked like.  Your 
message says "inverted vee's" (plural), so I'm making the leap to 
assume you had all three inverted vee's up at the same time and were 
able to switch between them.  Please correct me if I'm wrong ... and 
if I am wrong you and everyone else will probably want to ignore that 
which follows.
 
 Here's what EZNEC says about inverted vee's individually at the 
various heights:
 
 30 ft ...   max lobe straight up (90 degrees) of 6.4 dbi --- gain at 
20 degrees (arbitrary mid angle) of 0.2 dbi
 60 ft ...   max lobe at 35 degrees of 5.8 dbi --- gain at 20 degrees 
of 4.0 dbi
 90 ft ...   max lobe at 23 degrees of 8.3 dbi --- gain at 20 degrees 
of 8.2 dbi
 
 It gets more interesting when you look at the three antennas all 
together on the same tower, but only one being fed.
 
 30 ft antenna fed ...   max lobe at 90 degrees of 7.6 dbi --- gain at 
20 degrees of 2.7 dbi
 60 ft antenna fed ...   max lobe at 26 degrees of 5.5 dbi --- gain at 
20 degrees of 5.1 dbi
 90 ft antenna fed ...   max lobe at 26 degrees of 6.4 dbi --- gain at 
20 degrees of 6.4 dbi
 
 None of this data should be taken too literally, of course, but the 
model implies a lot of parasitic coupling between the three antennas 
that affects the pattern even when only one of the antennas is being 
fed.  Individually, the signal level at 20 degrees varies by 8 db 
depending upon whether the antenna is at 30 feet or 90 feet.  
Collectively, the signal level of the stack of three antennas varies 
by less than half that (3.7 db in this arbitrary case) no matter which 
of the antennas is fed.  In real life the difference across the stack 
might be even less.  If I had my choice, I'd prefer to have only the 
upper antenna on the tower ... unless of course, as you say, someone 
wanted to optimize the close-in performance.  For longer DX, takeoff 
angles as low as 10 degrees are useful and there the difference 
according to the model jumps to 10 db.
 
 It would be interesting to see someone hang an inverted vee from a 
pully and rope and take signal strength readings at different 
heights.  I don't have my tower up yet at this new QTH, but if nobody 
has done so by the time I get the tower up I'll promise to give it a try.
 
 
 73,
Dave  AB7E 
 
 
 
 
 Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
 
 
 Anecdotal results from anywhere are irrelevant ... that was my 
point.  Idon't trust software analyses implicitly, but I trust them more than
 opinions that aren't backed by direct comparison of some sort (like 
an A
 vs B test of two antennas at the same height at the same time).
 
 Yup ... well, close anyway.  I used a fixed 2 element 40m wire yagi at
 70 feet for a while.  It worked great and I had a lot of fun with it.
 It would have worked even better at 90 feet, and it would have worked a
 whole lot worse at 45 feet like the original message from NY6DX 
discussed.
 
 Dave  AB7E
 
 
 Interesting that you should mention A/B'ing.  I did a lot of A/B'ing 
of 40
 meter
 inverted vee's at 30, 60, and 90 ft.  I thought the 90 ft one would 
have a
 substantial
 advantage over the lower ones, but in actual operation they were very 
hard
 to tell apart.  I listened to foreign broadcast stations and ham DX 
stations
 as
 much as I could and looked for S-meter changes.  On local stations (<100
 miles),
 there was a substantial difference which agreed with conventional 
wisdom of
 the lower the better for locals.  YMMV.
 
 Rick N6RK
 
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