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Re: [TowerTalk] Off Center Fed Antennas

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Off Center Fed Antennas
From: "Patrick Greenlee" <patrick_g@windstream.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:05:35 -0500
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I have a 270 ft Carolina Windom off center fed dipole. The short end is up 46 ft above the surrounding grade and
the other end is up about 25 ft. It is fed via 50 ohm coax and a 4:1 balun.

It performs fairly well on 160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10.
I never hear anything on 6 so I don't bother.
I don't do 30 or 60, but probably could with this antenna.
I use the LDG 1000 watt Pro II automatic tuner and usually get matches better than 1.3:1

My Flex 5000A gives me 100 watts or so and I sometimes use my Tokyo High Power linear amp to put out 1000 watts pep. If there was ever an opportunity for RF in the shack to be a problem it is with a radio cabled to a computer sitting next to the linear. All my equipment is bonded together to a common point and wide braid from that common point directly to a hole in the slab floor with an 8 ft ground rod.

I have no RFI problems whatsoever.

If I separate all the equipment, disconnecting their individual ground braids I still have no RFI/RF in the shack problems. I haven't tried that experiment with the amp and won't, not seeing a reason.

I have a remote coax switch to select other antennas
(including a barn top mounted and guyed radialless Hy-Gain Hy-Tower vertical modified to work 160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10)
and likewise have no RF in the shack problems.

My last RF in the shack problems was running an Atlas 350XL through a manual tuner Into the insulated backstay of my sailboat where the ham shack was the navigators station and had you operating about 2-3 feet from the wire out the back of the tuner to about 10 ft from the about 30 degree off vertical random length wire (insulated backstay). You could draw sparks from the mike to your mouth if you turned up the output much past 100 watts.

I did fine with that maritime mobile setup even though the mast was aluminum and all that standing rigging must have had some interesting effects. I did not notice any effect when sheeting in the boom (also aluminum) closer to the backstay.

I'm sure there are folks who have problems with RF in their shack with this, that, or the other antenna arrangement but it is not necessarily a fault of the antenna type. Luckily there is a plethora of alternatives and if you can't make a particular one work for you, then use something else but don't condemn the Carolina Windom because you have problems with it, as it works fine for many of us.

Patrick  AF5CK

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Rogozinski
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:40 AM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Off Center Fed Antennas
Ibve been using a Carolina Windom here at my Virginia QTH as well as my new QTH in Colombia and the results have frankly been pretty spectacular. It works good on all bands, thru a tuner b surprisingly well. Been on the air since 1957 so Ibm not a newbie and have used many antennas over the past 56 years. From a very marginal QTH here in the Blue Ridge I worked 122 countries using 100 Watts during
CQWW CW 2011 b single band 15 meters!
Obvioulsy I want to put up yagis for the higher bands asap but that wire has done yoemans work for me.

Tony
W4OI/HK1AR

From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] One more dipole-balun question


On 6/3/2013 6:32 AM, John Geiger (AF5CC) wrote:
Given this new revelation, that it is a off center fed dipole, what is now the best balun for the twin lead to coax junction?

Off-center fed antennas are a really bad idea, primarily because they
make the feedline a part of the antenna. This puts RF in the shack,
increases the likelihood of RFI to your neighbors, and picks up noise to
interfere with the stations you're trying to work.? A common mode choke
could solve this problem, BUT:? the off-center feed places a very high
common mode voltage across the choke, making it likely to fry.

73, Jim K9YC



Tony W4OI/HK4AR

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