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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] questions on the use of a man-bucket and guy tensioning 5/16" EHS
From: Richard Thorne <rthorne@rthorne.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:17:28 -0500
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Gary,

The bucket/man lift makes installing antennas a piece of cake. I set the boom of the antenna on the rail of the bucket/man lift. You may want to tie it down with a rope for safety, I didn't.

Your up at the mounting location very quickly.

The only thing I can think of, which wasn't an issue for me, is if the bucket is near guy wires, will the bucket fit? All my antennas were mounted above the top section of the tower which didn't have any guys in the way as I left the top section free of guys.

The crane company had to send a 2nd guy who brought the bucket via a flat bed pickup truck. I had to pay for him so I put him to work. We both went up in the bucket, 4 hands made installing the antenna real easy.

Can't answer the tension question, I got lucky I guess, never thought about it. I used a come along and a cable grip and got it as tight as I thought I should then let the turn buckle do the rest. I do remember pulling it fairly tight as I wanted to leave plenty of room in the turn buckle for future tightening due to stretching.

GL,

Rich - N5ZC

On 10/11/2016 7:17 PM, StellarCAT wrote:
Hello,

This is directed at those that have had direct experience with the use of a 
crane and a man bucket.
My antenna/tower project, at least the major part of it (one of the two towers) is finally getting close to being done. 
I’ve ordered the crane for the end of next week ... so I can get a man bucket for an additional $150. There are 6 
large yagis to be installed – well 5 and a rotary dipole for 80/75 which is also BIG in that regard ... 
there’s currently 74’ of tower up on the K0XG rotating base and 2 rings ... I’ve built another 
60’ of tower with the second ring on it ... that will go up first and the top section of guys installed.

then I have 14’ of tower that will already have mounted on it (I hope) the rotary 
dipole at the top and a 5 element 50’ boom 20 mounted just above the leg of the tower 
(R55). That whole assembly will go up as one and thus 2 antennas will be finished once this 
is bolted in to place.

Then there are 4 yagis to go up along the height of the tower from 124’ down to 45’. I had planned on just having 
a guy on the tower stuff (no choice there of course) ... and then have him climb down the tower as we go from the top down with 
the 4 remaining antennas 124’, 90’, 75’, 45’. This means I’ll have to lash up the antenna on 
the ground to the crane hook and then of course the crane will raise it up to him where he can hopefully bolt it in place (2 
plates on the boom already in place for the boom to tower mount).

But the guy that is doing the climbing is saying the man bucket will make putting the 
antennas up easier. Having never used one I’m writing to get the comments of 
those that have used one.

How is the antenna ‘held’ to the man bucket? And whatever that is does that get in the way of mounting the antenna 
when at the tower. I.e. you have the side rails of the man bucket that would be ‘hitting’ the tower – will 
the antenna ‘move in” to position and still be SAFELY held until bolted in place?

Is it really any faster?

I assume it could be considered safer as the guy would be in the man bucket and 
not climbing the tower but obviously one expects whomever that is to be careful 
and always be strapped in when climbing ...

thoughts please?

And on another note: the top guys are 5/16” mixed with 11200# philly (50%) ... how much tension do you need to pull out of the 
‘free’ cable before attaching it to the turnbuckle? I’m worried about not pulling enough and having to redo the big grip ... on 
the bottom set of guys (the bottom 2 sets are 1/4”) I managed to do just that – I pulled too much and had to redo the big grip. Of 
course on the 5/16” the worry is more that I won’t pull enough and will run out of turnbuckle adjustment space. Put another way: how 
fast does the tension go up as one adjusts the turnbuckle? If the turnbuckle has 12” range – will that pull up even a relatively loose 
guy to full tension of 1100# before running out of adjustment room?

Gary
K9RX
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