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Re: [TowerTalk] Tashjain Towers LM470 Remote tower raising control

To: "'Steve Dyer'" <w1srd@yahoo.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tashjain Towers LM470 Remote tower raising control
From: al.n6ta@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 09:30:05 -0700
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Isn't the Tashjian RLT (Wireless) a remote raising/lowering accessory?  It is 
on the 2022 price list for almost $3k.
Al
N6TA

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Dyer <w1srd@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 6:39 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tashjain Towers LM470 Remote tower raising control

I am with you 100% John. Don't do it. Too many things can go wrong with really 
bad consequences.
After a good friend (call sign withheld to protect the guilty) tore off two 
runs of LMR-600 and bent up a 3 el 40m full size, the remote was removed from 
his UST crank up. Trees grow. Beam heading indicators go bad. The list of 
potential cascade failures is not solved by a camera.
There is a reason Tashjian does not sell one and it's not just about liability.
73,
Steve
W1SRD

On 7/17/2022 11:51, John Langdon wrote:
> I was advised years ago by one of my trusted "Elmers" who had lots of 
> experience with radio gear in the Navy that it is better to cut a window in 
> your radio room than take a risk of an unexpected or uncontrolled motion of a 
> tower.  I was also advised when I was in the wind turbine business (very 
> briefly) that the most dangerous thing in the modern world is an electrical 
> engineer controlling a high power mechanical system!
>
> 73 John N5CQ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Lux, 
> Jim
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:44 PM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tashjain Towers LM470 Remote tower raising 
> control
>
> On 7/17/22 11:19 AM, Bill Eisinger wrote:
>> It shouldn’t be too hard to adapt it such that you could use a smart switch 
>> with an Alexa (or equivalent) hub...however you would need wifi or bluetooth 
>> access at the tower...
> Or, some form of low voltage relays and a hardwire connection.
>
> Or a WiFi connected relay controlled by a dedicated app, but I'd be a bit 
> nervous about trusting a "safety sensitive" function to Alexa, without some 
> serious interlocks or a fairly robust physical access control.   It's kind of 
> like those ideas about automatically lowering the tower when the wind goes 
> above a certain speed.  It's more complex than one thinks at first.
>
> I've built a fair number of network controlled devices, some controlling big 
> heavy things moving around (dish antennas, etc.) - It takes careful planning 
> and design to make sure it "fails safe".   For this, since you've already got 
> to have power wires and coax going out there, adding a few wires to control 
> some relays seems a fairly simple and robust way.
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Ted 
>> Pauck K8NA
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 11:43 AM
>> To: TowerTalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Tashjain Towers LM470 Remote tower raising 
>> control
>>
>> I recently purchased the Tashjain Towers LM470 Crank up tower. The tower 
>> comes with an electric motor control onboard for raising and lowering the 
>> tower, by a switch at the tower. I need to remote control the tower from in 
>> my radio room. There will be a camera to watch the tower raising and 
>> lowering. Tashjain does not sell a remote control for towers. Has anyone 
>> been able to remote control the LM470 or any of the other Tashjain towers?
>>
>> TU/73  ...   de  Ted  K8NA
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