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Re: [Amps] high voltage fuses

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Subject: Re: [Amps] high voltage fuses
From: Manfred Mornhinweg <manfred@ludens.cl>
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:44:20 +0000
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When the fuse blows the plasma will conduct the rest of the current straight to 
ground acting
as a self sacrificial crowbar.

It's far better to avoid letting plasma loose in a circuit. You know, that stuff is conductive! For the duration of the arc, the plasma tends to expand, and envolve other parts of the circuit, which then arc over by themselves and keep feeding the plasma. Once the main arc or arcs run out of energy feeding them, the plasma blows out and expands, and in that last stage it shorts out parts of the circuit that are further away. After a nice big plasma arc, often there will be many components blown, and what's worse, there may be others that still work, but are partially damaged and will fail later, or underperform.

I think that where high voltage fuses are really required, it's by far the best to use real high voltage fuses, that will blow as cleanly as possible, and confine any plasma.

In many cases it's enough to fuse the primary side, where the voltage is low enough that any normal cheap fuses can be used.

If anyone wants to see photos of the signs left by a plasma arc expanding and envolving neighboring areas, I can shoot some and post them somewhere. I have a carcass at hand, of a piece of equipment that was killed in that way.

And now a question to those of you who know arcing phenomena: I have often seen that an arc at one place starts daughter arcs at quite distant, but electrically connected points of a circuit. What is the phenomenon causing this? Is it a high power, high frequency signal generatet by the arc pulsing, which is uptransformed by the inductances and capacitances of the wiring and circuit, to reach voltage peaks high enough to start those secondary arcs? Or what?

A very typical example: When an old style incandescent lightbulb burns out, at least here in this 220V country it will very often go in a flash of light, a bang, and trip the circuit breaker while doing so. Even when the circuit breaker is rated at 10 amperes, and the lightbulb runs on just 0.25 amperes or so! There is no sign of arcing damage inside the bulb, only a broken filament. But separate the bulb from the socket, and suprise, inside the socket there are signs of a BIG arc! Everything is black, and there are little droplets of molten metal. And the wires are missing. Clearly the small arc that forms inside the bulb, when the filament opens, triggers a big arc inside the socket, that draws enough current to trip the circuit breaker.

A few times I have even seen lightbulbs explosively jumping out of their sockets, just the glass part, leaving the metal base in place, when they burn out! These things do have character...

So, has anyone a good physical explanation of arcs triggering secondary arcs at places where far larger voltage is required to jump the gap?

Manfred

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