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Re: [Amps] low pass filter fail

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Subject: Re: [Amps] low pass filter fail
From: John Lyles <jtml@losalamos.com>
Reply-to: jtml@vla.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 23:08:36 -0600
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Built a lambda/4 stub out of 9 inch diameter EIA hard line, for
the big amps at work. It was build primarily to pass a tuning shaft through the output line to the variable capacitor paddle for output coupling to the plate/screen resonator cavity. Originally I thought it might need water cooling, so that too was planned to pass through the quarter wave stub. It took some modeling and measurement to get the stub length to be high Z at the operating frequency as when the diameter of the outer conductor approaches fractional wavelength then the geometric length isn't exactly what works. This was all explained in Robert Pound's chapter in the MIT Rad Lab textbook on coaxial line center conductor supports. He figured out how to broadband the stubs so they wouldn't have VSWR when the operating frequency shifted slightly.

http://www.ieeeghn.org/wiki/index.php/Oral-History:Robert_Pound

Anyway, my big stub worked very well on suppressing second harmonic. Better than -50 dBc right out of the amplifier. Wish it still reflected a short to the 4th harmonic, 805 Mhz, but due to being far overmoded (9 inch coax that is), it doesn't work.

Essentially it is forcing a short for the even harmonic at a particular distance from the tee to the plate region of the tube. It modifies the plate current or voltage waveform. This sort of modification is similar to what is done with class F amplification, using the technique of Tyler from Marconi, later used in RCA broadcast transmitters. In my amplifier, I probed inside the main cavity in a safe location, and discovered that there wasn't much second harmonic being generated, due to the quarter wave stub on the output.

73
John
K5PRO



Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 02:17:38 -0700
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
To: <amps@contesting.com>


##  Do you really require a LP filter ?   You could also use a .25 wave long 
coax stub..with far end shorted.   You can also add additional stubs etc.
Paralleling caps is the real answer to your exploding cap problem.  2-4 caps in 
parallel  would be the ideal ticket.   Your typ 2m ant will only be resonant on
its 3 and 5th harmonic.   You can make stubs that will kill odd harmonics if I 
remember correctly. W2VJN has a good book on stubs.

## Parallel some caps..and you wont have any more issues.   I have used the 
teflon sheeting sandwiched between 2  aluminum plates,,and that works superb...
provided it is constructed correctly.

##  I like the idea of a LP filter......... then it kills everything beyond the 
cutoff freq.   A bandpass filter would even be better.    You could also use a 
LP filter
for TX....and a low power bandpass filter...for RX only.

Jim  VE7RF


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