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Subject: Re: [Amps] Sunset of old technologies
From: "Mark Hill" <g4fph@mjha.co.uk>
Reply-to: g4fph@mjha.co.uk
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:08:39 +0100
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Cathy,

Well, the Chinese have stepped in to keep supplies of some valves (tubes!) 
going a while longer. Surely a good thing, as would be a sin for old amps., 
serviceable in all other respects, to go to the graveyard for want of a plug-in 
part.

Chasing price points of $1500, or less, for a new, commercial HF SS amp. will 
remain hard to impossible even in the long term, I think, due to the various 
'overhead' that comes with the technology. Ameritron cannot manage it at the 
600 Watt level now and I'm sure they tried hard. Ironically, amongst all this 
QRO, some of the most expensive Watt over here probably come out of an Elecraft 
KXPA100. Only 100 of them and on offer from our UK dealers' at $12+ US each!

Icom chose not get too greedy when they priced the 7300 (about $1500 US here) 
and these have sold very well. While the computer-driven Flex and Anan etc are 
mature now, the battle in the 'SDR with knobs' space has yet to get going in 
Japan. Hopefully Kenwood and Yaesu will follow Icom's 'loss-leader' approach 
and we'll see some interesting radio in the next year, or two.

Regards,

Mark.

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Mark,

I think you are right about this, but the sunset of analog front-ends is 
happening faster than the HF tube PA one.

Price of late-generation analog transceivers:

Kenwood TS-590SG, about $1700
Yaesu FT-991A, about $1500
K3S, about $2900 (assembled, 100 watts)

Price of next-generation SDR radios:

Icom IC-7300, about $1400
KX3, about $1900 (assembled, with 100 watt outboard amplifier)

So we are already at a point where you can move to the next generation of 
transceiver design without paying a huge premium for comparable performance. 
For about $1500, you can get a seat in the game, and you won't find a new 
analog rig of similar performance for less.


But what does the situation in HF amps look like?

Price of tube-based amps:

Ameritron AL-811H, ~600 watts, about $900 Ameritron AL-80B, ~800 watts, about 
$1500 Ameritron AL-82, 1500 watts, about $2800 ACOM 1000, 1000 watts, about 
$2800 ACOM 1500, 1500 watts, about $4000

Cost per watt:  $1.50 - $2.80


Price of solid-state amps:

Ameritron ALS-600, 500 watts, about $1400 ACOM 600, 600 watts, about $2800 
Elecraft KPA-500, 500 watts, about $3000 Elecraft KPA-1500, 1500 watts, about 
$6000 ICOM PW-1, 1500 watts, about $4900

Cost per watt:  $2.80 - $6.00


So it's still not practical to get the same performance *at the same price* 
from solid state power amplifiers.  It will come, but it's not there yet.

You can quibble with the choices of amps that I picked to make the point, but I 
don't think you can refute the core argument.

73,
Cathy
N5WVR

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Mark Hill <g4fph@mjha.co.uk> wrote:
> I think we are truly seeing the sun setting on valve HF PA and 
> analogue front-end transceivers.

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