Hi Mal...I don't think for a minute that bullying or rudeness has taken
place here...its a matter of necessity and lack of space...lets look at this
in a more positive vein... from all appearances it is from INCREASED
activity that this has occurred...that's a nice thing I think...The band
needs to flex and bend with the needs of the users...it does not need to be
limiting...isn't it a nice thing that ssb activity has increased over the
years??
I for one will find another band if there is a contest on that I don't have
any personal interest in...or I might turn everything off and go watch TV
instead of doing some more radio...what we are talking about is really 3
weekends per year...cqww ssb, arrl ssb, and wpx ssb.....no other contest has
the activity that makes this a problem....I like the ON4's solution....and I
am just changing its interpretation a little...."Silence Thy Radio...Silence
Thy Mouth"
de Rick nq4i
----- Original Message -----
From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@subich.com>; "'Ron Notarius W3WN'"
<wn3vaw@verizon.net>; "'CQ Contest Reflector'" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> I'm not trying to level any playing field because I don't play. For
several
> reasons I haven't operated in phone contests for years. I still operate in
> many CW contests. My point in starting the discussion was contesters have
> bullied their way into taking over the 'entire' 40 meter band from top to
> bottom. They have in the rudest possible way pushed everyone else off the
> band. Someone else commented it's just a few bad apples. It's way more
than
> a few bad apples it's more like a bushel basket full. There were at least
5
> American Xpeditions operating below 7025, there were at least 4 U.S.
> stations listening below 7025. There were about 15 non-US stations
operating
> SSB in the data portion. Then there were the 100's of stations who blindly
> went wherever they were told to transmit, above 7250, regardless whether
> there was a QSO or net already on the frequency. American regulations
> require a ham to listen on a freq before transmitting, a rule which was
> completely disregarded on a minute by minute basis.
> By wording the rules to say something like this: 'contesting permitted
only
> between 7030-7090 and 7100-7250' would be easily enforceable and would not
> trample on anyone's rights or privileges.
> Contesters should be leading the way in operating skills and technology
> instead we are the bully on the block swinging the baseball bat at anyone
> who gets in our way.
> 73
>
>
> MAL
> N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Subich, W4TV
> To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN' ; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:58
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
>
>
>
> I'm saying that a contest sponsor cannot enforce anything more
> restrictive than the regulations of the particular country in
> which the station is operating. To do so opens the very real
> possibility of keystone copy, kangaroo courts, and unequal
> enforcement. Who is to decide which "bandplans" may be violated
> and which may not? Is SSB on 7010 any worse than SSB on 1833?
> What level of proof should be required?
>
> All these garbage complaints about legal operation is just more
> of the same "level the playing field" nonsense.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:26 PM
> > To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> >
> >
> > Oh. So what you're saying is, since it's not prohibited by
> > law, anything
> > goes.
> >
> > And if a contest sponsor wants to "enforce" ethical behavior,
> > it exposes
> > them to ethical questions.
> >
> > Do I understand you correctly?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv@subich.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:34 PM
> > To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, as long as the situation exists as it does ... no legal
> > impediment to the rest of the world operating below 7040 on
> > phone and a situation where the majority of the world does
> > not operate transceive, I would do EXACTLY what the major
> > big gun stations do, listen as low as I need in order to find
> > a clear spot. There is nothing to prevent it in any national
> > regulations and there is no way contest sponsors can enforce
> > any rule concerning a bandplan - just look at 160 meters and
> > all the SSB stuff below 1843 - and any attempt to enforce a
> > bandplan that does not have the force of regulation exposes
> > the contest sponsor to serious ethical and legal questions.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:50 PM
> > > To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> > > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> > >
> > >
> > > So we should just keep quiet and look the other way?
> > >
> > > Sorry, but if we don't do anything, it will only get worse.
> > > Considering
> > > that several of the top offenders (K3LR, KC1XX to name two)
> > > are present or
> > > represented on the reflector, if we ignore it, they will
> > > continue. At least
> > > now they know that we're on to them.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv@subich.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:35 PM
> > > To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; 'CQ Contest Reflector'
> > > Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] SSB in CW band
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > W3WN writes:
> > >
> > > > Yes, the issue of SSB encroaching on the 40 meter CW band has
> > > > been discussed before, some might even say ad infinitum
> > ad nauseum.
> > > > However, in the past, the discussion has centered around SSB below
> > > > 7030 kHz or 7025 kHz. I don't recall (although I could be wrong)
> > > > a past discussion about SSB all the way down to 7007, 7005, even
> > > > 7001 kHz -- effectively obliterating the CW part of
> > > > the band. Sorry gentlefolk, that's bad amateur practice.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it's allowed in many administrations around the world.
> > > > That doesn't make it right. Just because you can do it doesn't
> > > > mean that you should.
> > >
> > > Self-enforcement will never fly. As long as one competitor has the
> > > ability to push the envelope the others will do so in order to stay
> > > competitive. The only thing that will fix the "problem" is uniform
> > > allocations globally. Allowing most of the world to operate any
> > > mode, anywhere, any time will never work - bandplans or contest
> > > sponsors will not make any difference.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > ... Joe, W4TV
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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