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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX

To: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX
From: Ed Felter <edfelter45@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 12:31:15 -0600
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Very well said. 

Ed AI6O 


> On Feb 2, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> The flaw in this argument is that many (most?) hams don't subscribe to RBN 
> spots.  Self spotting on CW actually helps reach another layer or two of 
> casual ops and DXers in a contest.  So arguing that using it on phone is just 
> an analog for RBN is not quite true.
> 
> Self spotting is another form of calling CQ using the Internet instead of 
> radio.
> 
> It does seem the hobby has evolved to the point where making a contact by any 
> means is more fun/important than using tuning skills.  Disappointing, but it 
> is what it is. On we go into the future.
> 
> Randy K5ZD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On 
> Behalf Of Stan Stockton
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2024 9:48 AM
> To: Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc@gmail.com>
> Cc: cqtestk4xs@aol.com; CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX
> 
> I will attempt to explain the rationale. In CW contests everyone gets spotted 
> automatically.  All you have to do is call CQ and if you have a signal that 
> can be heard you will be spotted on the RBN. In effect you are doing 
> something to cause yourself to be spotted just by calling CQ.  There is 
> little argument that on CW it is perfectly fair since the existence of the 
> RBN.
> 
> However, on phone, there is no skimmer and those people who have more 
> friends, belong to bigger clubs, etc are spotted more often than the other 
> people.  If everyone has the ability to self spot it doesn't put them in the 
> assisted category any more than being automatically spotted on the RBN puts 
> those operators in the assisted category.  However, it makes it so those who 
> are using assistance have equal access to everyone who is calling CQ.
> 
> Stan, K5GO
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:28 AM Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So...there is really no "unassisted" category anymore, right?
>> 
>> Wait a minute...I just looked at the latest ARRL International DX
>> Contest Rules, Categories for ARRL International DX Contest, Version
>> 2.0 - 04 Jan 2024, Entry Categories For ARRL DX (page 4 of 11), which
>> shows No Spotting Assistance for SO and SOSB (reference HCAT.1.1 and 
>> HCAT.3.2.1).
>> 
>> The term "self-spotting" is not addressed.  However, on page 11, there
>> is a whole paragraph on the definition (Version 1.05, 10 Feb 2022) of
>> "Spotting/QSO Finding Assistance" that ends with this sentence:
>> "Generating spotting information for use by other stations is not
>> considered to be spotting assistance". So, does this include self-spotting?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Henry - K4TMC
>> (always unassisted and no spotting)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:23 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it is allowed for all participants in all categories.
>>> 
>>> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:14 PM, cqtestk4xs--- via CQ-Contest <
>>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know self spotting is now allowed in ARRL DX if you are
>>>> assisted. Is
>>> it also allowed for UNASSISTED?
>>>> Bill V31XX/K4XS
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