I am having a hard time understanding what you are saying, Randy.
I don't know what "subscribing to RBN spots" even means??
If you are using the internet to help you find someone to work, you can get
it on DX Summit, you can look at the RBN website, you can get it by
connecting to a telnet site, etc.
Anyone who is serious in the assisted category will be connected to a
telnet site.
Any way you do it, you will see RBN spots. But what if you operated in a
way that you did not see RBN spots. So what?
W3LPL <http://www.dxsummit.fi/> 18075.0
FM/F6BWJ
<http://www.dxsummit.fi/> 18:16 02 Feb Heard
in NJ Martinique
Stan, K5GO
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 1:08 PM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
> The flaw in this argument is that many (most?) hams don't subscribe to RBN
> spots. Self spotting on CW actually helps reach another layer or two of
> casual ops and DXers in a contest. So arguing that using it on phone is
> just an analog for RBN is not quite true.
>
> Self spotting is another form of calling CQ using the Internet instead of
> radio.
>
> It does seem the hobby has evolved to the point where making a contact by
> any means is more fun/important than using tuning skills. Disappointing,
> but it is what it is. On we go into the future.
>
> Randy K5ZD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On
> Behalf Of Stan Stockton
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2024 9:48 AM
> To: Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc@gmail.com>
> Cc: cqtestk4xs@aol.com; CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX
>
> I will attempt to explain the rationale. In CW contests everyone gets
> spotted automatically. All you have to do is call CQ and if you have a
> signal that can be heard you will be spotted on the RBN. In effect you are
> doing something to cause yourself to be spotted just by calling CQ. There
> is little argument that on CW it is perfectly fair since the existence of
> the RBN.
>
> However, on phone, there is no skimmer and those people who have more
> friends, belong to bigger clubs, etc are spotted more often than the other
> people. If everyone has the ability to self spot it doesn't put them in
> the assisted category any more than being automatically spotted on the RBN
> puts those operators in the assisted category. However, it makes it so
> those who are using assistance have equal access to everyone who is calling
> CQ.
>
> Stan, K5GO
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:28 AM Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > So...there is really no "unassisted" category anymore, right?
> >
> > Wait a minute...I just looked at the latest ARRL International DX
> > Contest Rules, Categories for ARRL International DX Contest, Version
> > 2.0 - 04 Jan 2024, Entry Categories For ARRL DX (page 4 of 11), which
> > shows No Spotting Assistance for SO and SOSB (reference HCAT.1.1 and
> HCAT.3.2.1).
> >
> > The term "self-spotting" is not addressed. However, on page 11, there
> > is a whole paragraph on the definition (Version 1.05, 10 Feb 2022) of
> > "Spotting/QSO Finding Assistance" that ends with this sentence:
> > "Generating spotting information for use by other stations is not
> > considered to be spotting assistance". So, does this include
> self-spotting?
> >
> > 73,
> > Henry - K4TMC
> > (always unassisted and no spotting)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:23 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, it is allowed for all participants in all categories.
> >>
> >> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
> >>
> >> > On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:14 PM, cqtestk4xs--- via CQ-Contest <
> >> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I know self spotting is now allowed in ARRL DX if you are
> >> > assisted. Is
> >> it also allowed for UNASSISTED?
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