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Re: [RFI] Electric Fence pulsing (will get worse soon !)

To: "'Don Kirk'" <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Electric Fence pulsing (will get worse soon !)
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:07:22 -0300
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HI Don, 

 

Yes, it’s a solar powered unit with a 6v battery.  He’s recently added a nice 
big 3rd ground “plate” (2 rods + 1 plate) but no real difference.

I just saw it for the first time a couple hours ago.

Large red box built by PARMAX. SOLAR PAK 6 Model DF-SP-L1 (Kansas City)

 

Spike are roughly every second and a bit or 2 . I haven’t really timed it.  
Call it 1½ (hi!)

 

Mike VE9AA

 

Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB

 

From: Don Kirk [mailto:wd8dsb@gmail.com] 
Sent: July 21, 2015 6:55 PM
To: Mike Smith VE9AA
Subject: Re: [RFI] Electric Fence pulsing (will get worse soon !)

 

Hi Mike,

Check out this website regarding reduced voltage on an electric fence.  
http://www.kencove.com/fence/101_Fault+Finding_resource.php  
<http://www.kencove.com/fence/101_Fault+Finding_resource.php> 

The very first item mentioned for reduced voltage is vegetation growth.

Without a return path (path to ground through a human, animal, vegetation, 
etc.) the current should be low (just about 0) in the electric fence each time 
it generates a high voltage pulse, and therefore very little radiation, but 
when there is a path to ground the current will increase and so will the signal 
radiated from the fence.  Using an AM radio near his transmitter you probably 
will hear a very strong signal if there is a fault to ground along the fence, 
and as you move away from the transmitter along the fence I suspect the signal 
will suddenly get noticeably smaller after you pass the fault to ground, but if 
there is continuous faults to ground via vegetation I suspect you will just see 
a gradual decrease in signal as you walk the fence versus a sudden drop in 
signal.

I suspect his fence generates a high voltage pulse every second or so unless it 
is a very old design.

 

Don (wd8dsb)

 

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

Hi Gang !



Small update on the issue.

I visited the neighbour today to have a casual chat.  I am trying to make
this important, but not "end of the world" in talks with him.

(even though the QRM is pretty severe on 40-80-160 (s9-20dB/9) and bad on
20-15 (s5-7)...not too bad on 10- 6 - 2 (s1-2)



His unit is showing 10kV, but I touched the far end as it came around 1000'
of feet of rope and barely felt more than a spark.

Touching a doorknob in the winter is worse!

I tested the fence behind my house and am not even seeing 300V on my meter.
(the lowest light)



He claims to have consulted "an expert in fencing" and was told weeds would
not affect it at all.



The last thing I want to do is get in an argument with this 6'4" 250lb large
fellow, who is actually quite a nice guy, so I didn't press the issue, but I
never really noticed

any REAL noise until the grass and weeds suddenly spurted up here in mid to
late May.  This is NB (VE9) so our growing season is well behind you fellas
south of the border.



Am I crazy, or is all this arcing "probably" taking place to the weeds?  He
has 2 layers of rope fencing.  One at perhaps 18"-24" off the ground,
literally enveloped in weeds and grass and a top layer of rope up 4-5', with
nothing touching it. (I didn't walk the fence yet, but I will maybe next
week)



Second question.  Would an AM radio highlight an area that was sparking or
just be loud regardless? (like if it was sparking to the weeds the whole
1000' for example)



His Clydesdales have figured out the fence is not very hot and have tested
it some. (long story)



Mike VE9AA



Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB



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