| I keep my 011, no computers on my ham desk, I have one on my work bench and 
that is enough. 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg S via TenTec 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 12:34 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Cc: Greg S
Subject: Re: [TenTec] When can I buy a new transceiver?
A certified pre-owned Flex 6400 is $1900. With front display (6400M) is 
$2900. With warranty and latest software, and all updates completed. That’s 
far from $6000. I can remember when JUST a touch screen of this resolution 
cost that. Things are changing fast. Keep up, or get out of the way....or 
the market will move you out of the way. 
73- Greg, KC8HXO
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 On Jul 28, 2018, at 09:05, Byron Cordes via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com> 
wrote:
Yes the Orion doesn’t have all the bells it does have the whistle! I do 
like the way it handles 160  . Turn down gain 1/2 or so and signals weak 
and strong sound great.
Yes the Orion is showing it’s age! But it was the best radio out there for 
years! Maybe there are better radios now but not many and none for the 
price of a used Orion
 Myself I use 4 different radios each has there high and low ‘s  .  I 
think radios are a lot like antennas , one can never have to many !
 What will be interesting is seeing where the radio manufacturers go from 
here . Icom has changed the game with the 7300 (sold thousands!) a good 
radio that does a lot of things good . What will Yaesu Kenwood and the 
others bring out? There’s a small market for $6000 radios( Flex Elecraft 
and the other flag ships) or will the manufacturers slowly have sales go 
down (because of brand loyalty )
There might be fewer manufacturers in 5 years , there will thousands of 
used 7300 where those owner might want to up grade. There are just a few 
new Ham getting in to this sport and a lot of us are old. So probably less 
Radio sales ,less money , less manufacturers to build less radio . 
Maybe I better get another Orion ! 
Byron AC9PA
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On Jul 27, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Keith Hanson <ac9s@hotmail.com> wrote:
I purchased an OII at Dayton the first year they came out and couldn't 
have been more happy.  It was fully loaded including the remote pod and 
served me well for many years.  The only thing it appeared to lack was a 
reasonable panadapter / waterfall display which Ten Tec faithfully 
promised me year after year at Dayton and never delivered. I would have 
been happy with the equivalent of my 756Pro display, but it never 
appeared. However, time marches; I replaced the OII in the main position 
with a Flex 6700 / Maestrocombination several years ago and relegated the 
Orion to back-up duty. 
Honestly, with the exception of AGC slope, I find the Flex to be superior 
in every respect.  I have done numerous A/B comparisons and I don't think 
there was ever a time when the Orion receiver would have delivered better 
than the Flex.  The Flex Panafall display, a combination panadapter / 
waterfall, makes pile-ups easy and is wonderful on "dead" bands.  I 
rarely listen to the "split" anymore in a pile-up, I can tell where DX is 
listening by spreading the pile-up across the entire screen and seeing 
calling stations.  Plus the ability to look at all the bands 
simultaneously during a contest changes that part of the equation. 
Bottom line for me now is that although I have lobbied for on OIII for 
years I don't think I would buy one if it were offered - unless somehow 
it were to beat Flex SmartSDR at its game.  That is doubtful, but I'll 
keep an open mind. 
Keith - AC9S
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