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Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn Torque Bar confusion

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Rohn Torque Bar confusion
From: kb9cry@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:40:48 +0000
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Conservation of Momentum says that that torque energy has to go somewhere.  I 
agree that the guys will resist it, and using torque bars/limiters probably 
helps keep the tower from twisting, initially, but those guys have an elastic 
modulus and will stretch.  Kurt, K7NV, a SE I believe, published structural 
calculations on various tower/guy/antenna configurations.  His website seems to 
be down right now (either via the N1LO website or k7nv.com) but his conclusions 
were that in high winds with decent antenna loads, those towers which have 
their based fixed in concrete were most prone to failure; the base is fixed, 
the torque energy just twisted the tower apart.  A pier pin base allows the 
tower to twist free and is a better solution except that, as stated, the guys 
will stretch, and in high winds the tower will want to "lean" over.  The 
standard pier pin base is flat and all the compression forces can be exerted 
onto one leg and that leg will eventually buckle.  The best bet is
  a pier pin with a tapered base.  Rohn does make these; they're just special 
order.  That's what I put up last year for my 120 ft. Rohn 45 with a big 3 el 
40M yagi up top; tapered, pier pin base.  The tower can twist all it wants and 
can lean over all it wants.  Even with this base, that tower is rock solid to 
climb.  I guess, based on my learnings, everyone should understand that torque 
bars/limiters may help initially but that energy will have to go somewhere and 
in a high wind situation they won't help.  The guys will stretch and the forces 
will want to go somewhere.  Makes sense to me.  Phil  KB9CRY
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