Hello everyone, good discussion on getting a line into the trees. However
has anyone come up with a good "home"solution to the coils that get stuck in
the crotch of branches? Short of getting a bucket truck to come in I've
been thinking of using small funnels "plastic" on each side of the coils so
hopefully they would slide over the y of the crotch. Any ideas?
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> 1. Re: Ropes over pine trees (Edward Sylvester)
> 2. Decent 160/80 antenna (Jan Erik Holm)
> 3. Re: lines into trees (Dennis Ashworth)
> 4. Re: Ropes over pine trees (Tom Osborne)
> 5. Re: [Antenna-discussion] Best way of getting a line over a
> tree (David Jefferies)
> 6. Re: [Antenna-discussion] Best way of getting a line over a
> tree (DAVID CUTHBERT)
> 7. Best way of getting a line over a tree (don daso)
> 8. Re: lines into trees (Richard Hill)
> 9. Contemplating 80m Antenna Above Steppir (Edward Sylvester)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:19:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Sylvester <navydude1962@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ropes over pine trees
> To: towertalk@contesting.com, Mike Bragassa
> <bragassa@consolidated.net>
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> I just used a tennis ball laucher and easily shot over 70' hardwoods in
NC. The problem wasn't the height, but rather, trying to avoid the rope
getting stuck between the crotches of fine branches....You must use
intermdiate line and strong fishing line, as it will otherwise
break....still didn't get the antenna up :-(
>
> 73,
> Ed NI6S
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Mike Bragassa <bragassa@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Mike Bragassa <bragassa@consolidated.net>
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] Ropes over pine trees
> > To: towertalk@contesting.com
> > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 10:40 AM
> > I have done both the slingshot and the tennis ball shooter:
> > The tennis ball shooter is heads up ahead as compared to
> > the slingshot. More
> > accurate and farther/higher distance. No comparison.
> >
> > Mike, K5UO
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I know this is an age old question. What is your best
> > recommendation
> > on getting some ropes in the tops of my 80 - 100 FT (25 -
> > 33 M) pine
> > trees ? I have heard a sling shot or bow and arrow can
> > work. I have
> > good access to the trees but there are too many trees to
> > try getting a
> > balloon supported line over.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Eric N4HGZ
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:30:48 +0100
> From: Jan Erik Holm <sm2ekm@telia.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Decent 160/80 antenna
> To: 'towertalk' <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <49529BF8.7080008@telia.com>
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> Brand new pictures from OH8X Radio Arcala
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> Merry Christmas / Jim SM2EKM
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:43:12 -0800
> From: Dennis Ashworth <k7fl@arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] lines into trees
> To: "Richard Hill" <rehill@ix.netcom.com>, "'towertalk'"
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <200812242143.mBOLhBHk007509@ashworth.org>
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> Thanks Rich,
>
> When the line breaks, the weight will travel quite some distance. I
> recall trying to get on the air when living in an apartment in the
> early 1970's. It had to be a stealthy job requiring small gauge wire
> and sneaking around before sunrise to avoid detection by snoopy
> neighbors. I didn't have fishing weights so I tied a bunch of
> hardware nuts to the line, sighted the perfect tree limb and
> launched. The shot was perfect - except the line broke. The hardware
> rained down on 3-4 houses down range making a huge racket. I
> retreated inside behind the curtains and watched least one neighbor
> emerge in his bathrobe to investigate. Stupid thing to do, but we
> were young back then and often neglected the consequence of our actions.
>
> Oh, and I never did put the antenna up in that particular tree, but
> struck a great deal with the landlord behind the apartments. It was
> perfect with two tall trees in just the right place. The only problem
> were two big dogs guarding the large shop rented by some rough
> looking characters who "bought" old cars and parted them out. Neither
> the dogs or the car guys liked my being there - they insisted I
> contact them before venturing into the lot. I eventually got the
> antenna installed (with slingshot and fishing weights) and all was
> well. A few days later a couple of policeman knocked my door
> inquiring about my relationship with the car guys out back - the
> policeman had seen me erecting the antenna on the rented lot. Seems
> the cops had a stakeout in the apartment next door watching all the
> cars arrive during the weekend and parts leaving randomly throughout
> the week. A few days later, the police raided the place, arresting 10
> bad guys, several stolen cars, a cache of semiautomatic weapons and
> drugs. I'm glad I didn't try to do my stealthy work out there!
>
> Dennis, K7FL
> Battle Ground, WA
>
> ==
>
> At 12:57 PM 12/24/2008, Richard Hill wrote:
> >I used a slingshot and lead weights until someone told me they always got
> >stuck in the tree <grin>. I need to put a line in a redwood every so
often,
> >and the slingshot only works when it is dry and dusty. I use a
bowhunting
> >"Game Tracker" 17 pound line. It works well, but the sling shot needs 1
> >ounce or lighter weights.
> >(For reference: http://www.archerysportsusa.com/store/index.cfm/c58/i844
no
> >connection, just pulled the link off the web).
> >
> >I started off tossing a 2 ounce fishing weight with a fishing rod, and
found
> >that worked well, but I was concerned about having the heavy sinker
escape
> >and disturb the neighbors.
> >
> >I've ordered a tennis ball launcher, and I think that is a good tool, but
> >I've finally realized that I could toss the tennis ball with a surf
casting
> >rod, and that also works very well. My redwood needs about 3 ounces (33
> >pennies) in the tennis ball to easily slide through the branches when
wet. I
> >use 40 # stiff monofilament, because that is what is on the rod.
> >
> >Rich
> >NU6T
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dennis Ashworth [mailto:k7fl@arrl.net]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:56 AM
> >To: towertalk
> >Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] lines into trees
> >
> >I wrote an article for "Hinks & Kinks" some years about using a
> >slingshot and fishing line/weights for launching lines into trees. It
> >may still be in the ARRL Handbook - it was for many years. There are
> >now several commercial products for this purpose on the market so I
> >won't repeat the details here. But I will add one thing. My
> >experience with shooting fishing sinkers is that the weight will
> >often loop over tree limbs. When this occurs your only recourse is to
> >break the line and try again. The problem is the line usually breaks
> >at some random point along the line often leaving unsightly
> >monofilament line dangling from the tree.To avoid this and retrieve
> >the line (and frequently the sinker) one should use a few feet of
> >lighter weight leader between the weight and the main line. This
> >ensures the line will break near the sinker ... almost without
> >exception the sinker will drop as will the main line.
> >
> >I use 25# monofilament, 8-12# leader and 2 oz sinker.
> >
> >Have fun - I've used a slingshot for many years with 100 foot fir
> >trees with excellent success.
> >
> >Dennis, K7FL
> >Battle Ground, WA
> >
> >==
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:06:13 -0800
> From: "Tom Osborne" <w7why@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Ropes over pine trees
> To: "Towertalk" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <B8C1D79DA0EF40E3928E2A325BF9DC90@Tom>
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> That is an excellent point.
>
> Another problem is that the rope, when being slid over a limb, will damage
> the bark on the limb when pulling the rope up or down. No big problem,
> until the pitch and bark grow over the rope. Then it is stuck good.
>
> I put a BIG egg insulator on the end of a rope. Then I put a rope through
> the egg insulator in a big loop. Pull the insulator up into the tree and
> tie it there. The egg insulator works like a pully, but you don't have to
> worry about the rope getting stuck between the wheel and the case of the
> pully. A rope will slide throught the insulator very easily. If the rope
> with the insulator gets stuck, no big deal as I'm not planning on moving
it
> anyway.
>
> 73 and have a very Merry Christmas!!
> Tom W7WHY
>
>
>
>
> >I just used a tennis ball laucher and easily shot over 70' hardwoods in
NC.
> >The problem wasn't the height, but rather, trying to avoid the rope
getting
> >stuck between the crotches of fine branches....
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:18:35 +0000
> From: "David Jefferies" <eryptick@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Antenna-discussion] Best way of getting a
> line over a tree
> To: "Discussions of Antennas and Related Topics"
> <antenna-discussion@antennex.com>
> Cc: tower talk <towertalk@contesting.com>
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> crossbow (they ARE illegal but can be had I think)
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Eric <n4hgz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I know this is an age old question. What is your best recommendation
on
> > getting some ropes in the tops of my 80 - 100 FT (25 - 33 M) pine trees
?
> > I have heard a sling shot or bow and arrow can work. I have good
access to
> > the trees but there are too many trees to try getting a balloon
supported
> > line over.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Eric N4HGZ
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:17:13 -0700
> From: "DAVID CUTHBERT" <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Antenna-discussion] Best way of getting a
> line over a tree
> To: "Discussions of Antennas and Related Topics"
> <antenna-discussion@antennex.com>
> Cc: tower talk <towertalk@contesting.com>
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> Eric,
>
> here is a link to a review of a device made for this. They say it will
shot
> a tennis ball 300 feet. It's $119.
>
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5199
>
> There is also a slingshot/fishing reel device sold for this purpose.
>
> I have used a slingshot with good results. Sporting goods stores sell good
> slingshots. I use a small 'super ball' that you can get from the 25 cent
> vending machines. Drill a hole through the ball and tie on a string.
>
> A bow and arrow might work well but if you haven't got one I think the
$119
> tennis ball shooter would be a better investiment.
>
> Or, capture a squirl and tie a string to him. Let him run up the tree.
When
> he gets to the top shoot him. He will fall to the ground with the string
> attached.
>
> Dave WX7G
>
>
> On 12/24/08, Eric <n4hgz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I know this is an age old question. What is your best recommendation
on
> > getting some ropes in the tops of my 80 - 100 FT (25 - 33 M) pine trees
?
> > I have heard a sling shot or bow and arrow can work. I have good
access to
> > the trees but there are too many trees to try getting a balloon
supported
> > line over.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Eric N4HGZ
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:49:30 -0500
> From: don daso <k4za@juno.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Best way of getting a line over a tree
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20081224.134930.1568.113.k4za@juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Like many, I began my ham radio antenna adventures with wires...
>
> Like many, I simply threw or tossed a line over a tree, or a branch,
> anyway.. Like many, I soon graduated to something slightly more
> sophisticated, such as the proverbial slingshot. Like many, I moved from
> there to a bow & arrow, which allowed more of everything important:
> reach, accuracy, & ease of use in my opinion.
>
> Last year, I tried a pneumatic air cannon. All those important things
> moved up again (pun intended). I remain impressed at each & every use.
> It's so accurate, I've even shot a line in between antenna elements with
> it. Get one & I think you'll agree....
>
> GL vy 73 Don K4ZA
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0800
> From: "Richard Hill" <rehill@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] lines into trees
> To: "'Dennis Ashworth'" <k7fl@arrl.net>, "'towertalk'"
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <003001c9660a$316134d0$94239e70$@netcom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I used a slingshot and lead weights until someone told me they always got
> stuck in the tree <grin>. I need to put a line in a redwood every so
often,
> and the slingshot only works when it is dry and dusty. I use a bowhunting
> "Game Tracker" 17 pound line. It works well, but the sling shot needs 1
> ounce or lighter weights.
> (For reference: http://www.archerysportsusa.com/store/index.cfm/c58/i844
no
> connection, just pulled the link off the web).
>
> I started off tossing a 2 ounce fishing weight with a fishing rod, and
found
> that worked well, but I was concerned about having the heavy sinker escape
> and disturb the neighbors.
>
> I've ordered a tennis ball launcher, and I think that is a good tool, but
> I've finally realized that I could toss the tennis ball with a surf
casting
> rod, and that also works very well. My redwood needs about 3 ounces (33
> pennies) in the tennis ball to easily slide through the branches when wet.
I
> use 40 # stiff monofilament, because that is what is on the rod.
>
> Rich
> NU6T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Ashworth [mailto:k7fl@arrl.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:56 AM
> To: towertalk
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] lines into trees
>
> I wrote an article for "Hinks & Kinks" some years about using a
> slingshot and fishing line/weights for launching lines into trees. It
> may still be in the ARRL Handbook - it was for many years. There are
> now several commercial products for this purpose on the market so I
> won't repeat the details here. But I will add one thing. My
> experience with shooting fishing sinkers is that the weight will
> often loop over tree limbs. When this occurs your only recourse is to
> break the line and try again. The problem is the line usually breaks
> at some random point along the line often leaving unsightly
> monofilament line dangling from the tree.To avoid this and retrieve
> the line (and frequently the sinker) one should use a few feet of
> lighter weight leader between the weight and the main line. This
> ensures the line will break near the sinker ... almost without
> exception the sinker will drop as will the main line.
>
> I use 25# monofilament, 8-12# leader and 2 oz sinker.
>
> Have fun - I've used a slingshot for many years with 100 foot fir
> trees with excellent success.
>
> Dennis, K7FL
> Battle Ground, WA
>
> ==
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:13:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Sylvester <navydude1962@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Contemplating 80m Antenna Above Steppir
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <857563.58208.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> > I currently have a Steppir 3 element yagi with 30/40m
> > "trombone."? I am so impressed with the add on
> > kit that I now want to put a rotatable 80m dipole above the
> > Steppir (5 feet above).? I will likely choose the Create
> > CD78, as that's the largest I could install, given my
> > city lot.
> > ?
> > Most install the 80m dipole to run parallel to the yagi
> > boom, to avoid interaction.? I would prefer not to do
> > this.? Is this still an issue, given that the Steppir is
> > adjustable??? Is it the yagi's pattern that is most
> > affected or simply the SWR?? Your opinions are most
> > welcome.?
> > ?
> > 73 and Happy Holidays....
> > ?
> > Ed NI6S
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