| Long ago, I brought some approximately AWG 14 hard drawn copper back 
from Finland. The 40 meter full wave I made from it stayed up for nearly 
30 years. So did the 80 meter dipole, of the same wire. I think the full 
wave broke once many years ago, and I spliced it. I finally replaced 
them with AWG 18 copperweld last summer, when I replaced the tower. 
Maybe there was something special about that Finnish copper. 
That fatigue limit is why all my bicycles have steel forks.
73,
Scott K9MA
On 12/10/2019 19:11, jimlux wrote:
 One other complexity is fatigue failure. traditionally, Steel is taken 
as having a fatigue limit, below which it can withstand an infinite 
number of cycles.  Copper and Aluminum do not have such a limit. The 
more cycles, the lower level of stress for failure.
A wire antenna "blowin in the wind" can get millions of cycles pretty 
easily. 
f = So * V/d
So = Strouhal number 0.185 for metric units
V = 5 m/sec (11 mi/hr)
d = 2mm (12 AWG)
f = 0.185 * 5/0.002 = 460 Hz
Time for million stress cycles is 1e6/(460*2) (because the axial load 
is at a max twice per cycle of the sinewave) = pretty close to 1000 
seconds - 20 minutes. 
There's an even worse situation, when the natural resonance of the 
wire happens to align with the aeolian vibration - the Q is pretty 
high (internal damping of a wire is about 0.25% - a Q of 200), so the 
loads can be dramatically increased. 
l (loop length) = 1/(2*f) *sqrt(T*g/w)
loop length is "half a wavelength" of the vibration mode (the distance 
between "nodes") (just like a resonant dipole) 
T is the tension in  Newtons
g is 9.8 m/sec^2 (accel due to gravity)
w is the conductor weight per unit length (kg/m)
Taking our AWG 12 copper wire..19.76 lb/1000 ft = 9 kg/328 meters 
=0.027 kg/meter 
Let's say we've got 50 lbs (225 N) tension.
So, l = 1/(2*460) * sqrt( 225 * 9.8 / 0.027)
 = 0.31 meters (1 foot).
yeah, for a 20 or 40 meter dipole that's going to be a pretty high 
order mode, so the deflection won't be all that big.   But remember 
that the frequency is proportional to wind speed.  So if the wind is 1 
m/s (2 mi/hr), the frequency is about 100 Hz, and now the loop length 
is more like 1.5 meters. 
So, it's those gentle afternoon zephyrs that will probably afflict 
your antenna more than the howling gale. 
And I assume that as a responsible ham, everyone will follow the NEC 
to the letter, do a complete aeolian vibration analysis, calculate the 
loads, test coupons of your antenna wire to destruction, and then, 
confirm all the calculations with precision laser measurements of the 
span during all wind conditions. <grin> 
Oh yeah, and I was talking to someone a while ago who claimed that 
there really isn't a fatigue limit for steel, just the slope of the 
curve is a lot less than for other metals. So even with copper clad 
steel, you're still ultimately doomed. 
Perhaps single crystal fibers of fused silica plated with silver would 
be best. 
 
--
Scott  K9MA
k9ma@sdellington.us
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