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Re: [TowerTalk] Which Vertical is More Robust ?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Which Vertical is More Robust ?
From: Gary K9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 12:54:31 -0600
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Hello Gedas,As a point of reference I have a DX Engineering 80/40 meter 
vertical. It is ~57 ft high with a big trap at 32' for 40m.It's 3" aluminum 
tapering to 1".  I live on a big ridge and have some pretty high winds at 
times. When I first put it up I thought I would need to guy it. It turns out 
that it is not needed. I've watched during high winds and it doesn't move very 
much. I attribute this to having a pretty low cross section/wind load.I would 
definitely go with the larger diameter for strength especially since you're 
going to walk it up.Please let us know how it turns out.73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gedas <w8bya@mchsi.com> Date: 1/1/20  
11:54 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: TowerTalk@contesting.com Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 
Which Vertical is More Robust ? Hi Rick es HNY !TU for that advice. I need to 
look up the weight of the heavier duty fence pipe. As these are going to be 
elevated verticals which I "pivot" into place by myself I need to look at what 
the total weight will be. I have about 8' of 6x6 set in the ground then use a 
wooden frame that cradles around the 6x6 and pivots the verticals into place. 
Kinda hard to explain but it will put the feedpoint at around 10' off the 
ground, then of course the length of the vertical. So I should be able to walk 
it up into place. Will check it out TU.But let me ask my question again, is it 
better to go with a larger dia pipe (even if it has a greater wind load) or 
better to go with a smaller dia tubing with less wind load? Assuming the wall 
thickness is the same for all the members.Gedas, W8BYAGallery at 
http://w8bya.comLight travels faster than sound....This is why some people 
appear bright until you hear them speak.On 1/1/2020 12:23 PM, Richard (Rick) 
Karlquist wrote:> Recommend that you consider chain link fence "top rail" 
instead> of EMT.  Get the "1 7/8 inch" OD variety.  It is the same> diameter as 
"1 1/2 inch" water pipe.  It is actually intended> to be structural.  There is 
also a "1 3/8 inch" OD variety than> you can telescope.  It is the same 
diameter as "1 inch"> water pipe.>> Rick N6RK>> On 1/1/2020 8:13 AM, Gedas 
wrote:>> HNY to all !>>>> I cannot think of a better time to start a new 40m 
phased vertical >> project then the dead of winter with snow on the ground (as 
usual I >> could not get to it during the summer or fall).>>>> Anyway, I have 
drawn up two possibilities for a pair of 33' self >> supporting verticals. Both 
start out with a 10' length of EMT but one >> choice starts out with a larger 
dia then the other before I switch >> over to tapering aluminum sections.>>>> 
A) Starts out with a 10' length of 1-1/4" EMT followed by tapering 5' >> 
sections of aluminum tubing (4' long exposed, 1' inside the previous >> lower 
section) until the very top length section which will be 3/4" >> OD dia. These 
will be standard DX engineering aluminum tubes.>>>> B) Starts out with a 10' 
length of 1-1/2" EMT, then a 5' length of >> 1-1/4" dia of EMT (4' long 
exposed, 1' inside the previous section of >> EMT) then followed by tapering 5' 
sections of aluminum tubing as >> above. The only difference being this choice 
would end up using 1" >> aluminum tubing as the very top piece.>>>> So the 
obvious difference between the two are that choice A) uses >> just one length 
of thinner EMT and overall thinner aluminum tubing >> sections to the top while 
choice B) uses 2 lengths of larger dia EMT >> and then larger dia aluminum 
tubing to the very top.>>>> I do not have the software to analyze choice A) vs. 
choice B) in a >> high wind situation. I am uncertain if the stronger, larger 
dia >> tubing with it's higher wind load will be a plus or a minus in the >> 
end to it's overall strength. Any thoughts or comments on which one >> will 
survive better during heavy wind conditions? TU>>>> Gedas, W8BYA>>>> Gallery at 
http://w8bya.com>> Light travels faster than sound....>> This is why some 
people appear bright until you hear them speak.>>>> 
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