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Re: [VHFcontesting] [NEWSVHF] 222 Activity Night

To: David Olean <k1whs@metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] [NEWSVHF] 222 Activity Night
From: Steven Simons <ssimons@manitousys.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:46:51 -0400
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Dave,
Hi ! 

Various tube type industrial RF generators use the #30/32 wire “fuse” with good 
results. Those HV fuses and Ohmite resistors tend to be costly these days.  

Also, the problem may have been some condensation.

de:W1SMS 

Steve Simons 
Manitou Systems Inc.
Tel.203.733.2110
ssimons@manitousys.com
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> On Jun 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, David Olean <k1whs@metrocast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Well, I wasn't rolling on the floor laughing when it happened. I went looking 
> for my hard hat and ducked as the shrapnel flew around behind the rack!  The 
> good news is that the amp is OK. I dragged it home to look it over. There are 
> some protective diodes in the metering circuit and those usually short out 
> when there is a tube arc. I checked those and both seemed fine. The 12 volt 
> 50 watt zener bias diode also looked OK.  I had to rebuild the fuse holder as 
> part of it was missing after the bomb went off.  I found a big fuse clip 
> thingey in  some old surplus stuff, and stole the two fuse clips to fix the 
> amplifier. I got that done and then replaced the fuse with a new 1.5 amp HV 
> fuse. I tried it out and the amp came up just fine down in the shop.I ran 
> some 222 energy into the amp from my signal generator. I had a wideband amp 
> that will make about 4 watts so I stuck that into the 8877 input connector 
> and saw 100 watts coming out.  That is over 13 dB gain so it all looks OK.
> 
> So what happened?  It could have been that the fuse just decided that it was 
> time to give out. It would make a pretty good noise just letting go.  It 
> could have been a tube arc, but having good protection diodes afterward,  
> makes me think that maybe there was not an arc at all.  With all the news 
> stories about politics lately, it also could have been caused by Donald 
> Trump. I am going to stick with that explanation, or maybe it was cosmic rays 
> from outer space. Everyone knows that cosmic rays are really bad too.
> 
> All this leaves me wondering about my crazy idea to use electrolytic 
> capacitors as HV caps in series for HV filtering I think I went overboard a 
> bit.  The end result is a huge capacitor bank value of 166 MFD. That is a 
> good amount of stored up energy at 3500 volts. If anything in the HV line 
> wants to consume current, 166 MFD will surely oblige that request.  I think I 
> might remove the electrolytic bank and substitute a modern non PCB 6 MFD 10 
> KV cap instead. That way, if I get another arc, it will sound like a 30 cal 
> handgun instead of turret B on the USS. Missouri!
> 
> Maybe I should use #32 wire as Jay recommended. I went with smaller stuff, 
> like #47. It will pull over an amp without burning out, so I figured it was 
> OK. I tried running some current through some #32 wire and it will do 5 amps. 
> If I push the current higher, it breaks open at 7 or 8 amps, which seems 
> awfully high to me. That is 28 kilowatts.
> 
> 73
> 
>  Dave K1WHS
> 
>> On 6/16/2021 11:10 PM, Peter Motyl wrote:
>> 
>> Yah, but reading about the explosion had me rolling on the floor with 
>> laughter.  Oh, I know from experience it isn’t funny when it happens but 
>> reading about it is really funny.
>> 
>> *From: *jrusgrove@comcast.net <mailto:jrusgrove@comcast.net>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 16, 2021 6:22 AM
>> *To: *David Olean <mailto:k1whs@metrocast.net>; Fred Stefanik 
>> <mailto:n1dpmfred@gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *222 >> 222Activity@groups.io <mailto:222Activity@groups.io>; VHF 
>> Contesting <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>; NEWS Reflector 
>> <mailto:newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [NEWSVHF] 222 Activity Night
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> If you don't have it the circuit already, I'd suggest a 'glitch' resistor in 
>> series with the HV output to limit current to a high, but manageable, level. 
>> Also, for a high voltage fuse, try a small length of #30 - 32 wire (approx) 
>> between two ceramic standoffs. Since these two items have been in place I've 
>> experienced no fireworks or power supply damage when an amplifier 'incident' 
>> occurs ... everything shuts down quietly. Previous to this I've experienced 
>> a number of flash/bangs as you, and others, have.
>> 
>> Jay W1VD
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: David Olean <k1whs@metrocast.net>
>> 
>> To: Fred Stefanik <n1dpmfred@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Cc: 222 >> 222Activity@groups.io <222Activity@groups.io>, VHF Contesting 
>> <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>, NEWS Reflector <newsvhf@mailman.qth.net>
>> 
>> Sent: 6/15/2021 11:43:15 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NEWSVHF] 222 Activity Night
>> 
>> ________________________________________________________________________________
>> 
>> Well I was very happy that Fred N1DPM showed up for 222 activity night.
>> 
>> We had a nice rag chew and signals were 59+ each way. Fred's signal was
>> 
>> outstanding.  I listened to Fred run with KO4YC near Richmond, VA.
>> 
>> K04YC was peaking up really fine, hitting a good 559 on the S-meter.
>> 
>> That is pretty impressive for over 500 miles away. I tail ended KO4YC
>> 
>> and called Fred. I had worked Cornell earlier with my driver amp at 80
>> 
>> watts. It was a squeaker, but while I was ragchewing with N1DPM, KO4YC
>> 
>> heard me OK on ssb with my 80 watts, so there were definitely some good
>> 
>> tropo peaks going on. You should not be able to work 525 miles with 80
>> 
>> watts on 222 normally.
>> 
>> A try with VE3DS was not successful with my 80 watts. Still it was  a
>> 
>> great evening on 222 with 13 stations worked including
>> 
>> KA2LIM Ken in FN12
>> 
>> W9KXI  Al also in FN12  Ken and Al seem to be FN12!!
>> 
>> WW1M Bruce in FN43 (just down the road a few miles)
>> 
>> WA1LWC in FN42   5 watt power house!
>> 
>> VE2XX    Stu near Montreal in FN25. I could hear him working KA2LIM. 59
>> 
>> when we aimed at each other!
>> 
>> N1SV Les in FN42  One of the 222 night regulars
>> 
>> WZ1V  Good Buddy Ron.  Always shows up for 222 night and stirs up the
>> 
>> pot with lots of contacts.
>> 
>> N3RG Ray way down at the bottom of FM29
>> 
>> K3WHC Steve in FN10pa.
>> 
>> K1PXE  Pete in FN31.  The voice of Milford! and a staunch supporter of
>> 
>> activity night.
>> 
>> WA2VNV in FN30 on Long Island with a booming signal up here in Maine.
>> 
>> K2AEP Pete in FN33 Vermont. One of the few people who keeps a briefcase
>> 
>> full of alphabetically organized jokes.
>> 
>> KO4YC Cornell in FM17 near Richmond, who must have a fantastic takeoff
>> 
>> angle. Just a phenomenal signal up here every week.
>> 
>> I had some excitement here. Not too long after I got on the air, There
>> 
>> was a very large explosion and a flash behind the rack as the 222 MHz
>> 
>> 8877 amp decided to arc over. I hate it when that happens. The high
>> 
>> voltage fuse is about 4 1/2" long and is a phenolic tube with brass end
>> 
>> bells. When it went off. The two end bells were blown out of the tube
>> 
>> ends and one of the brass end bells shattered into little pieces. It
>> 
>> even blew up the beryllium copper fuse holders!  This could be serious.
>> 
>> At a minimum, I probably have shorted diodes in the metering circuit. At
>> 
>> worst, the tube might be hosed. I dragged it back to the house and will
>> 
>> look it over in the morning.
>> 
>> I recall this happened another time many years ago with this same
>> 
>> amplifier on Pack Monadnock Mountain in New Hampshire during a June
>> 
>> Contest. The 220 rig was set up in a cargo van and I had built up an
>> 
>> eight yagi array of NBS 4.2 wavelngth design for EME. The group was W1FC
>> 
>> and there was an aurora on both Saturday and Sunday evening. We were
>> 
>> cleaning up on 220 MHz and our section total was way ahead of the 144
>> 
>> station. I remember working Iowa and Minnesota that weekend along with
>> 
>> EME to California. Word got around that we were doing so well, and a
>> 
>> crowd formed all poking their heads in the van door to see what we were
>> 
>> doing. At that exact time, the 8877 amp decided to arc over and that
>> 
>> same HV fuse exploded. It sounded like someone shot off a M1911 45cal
>> 
>> pistol inside the van and to add some spice to the effort, the two end
>> 
>> bells went ricocheting off the walls of the van. The crowd instantly
>> 
>> thinned out and we replaced the fuse and got back to working DX.
>> 
>> Thanks to all who came out to play, including Marshall, K5QE from Texas.
>> 
>> He ran some MS schedules. Thanks Marshall!
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Dave K1WHS
>> 
>> On 6/15/2021 9:59 PM, Fred Stefanik wrote:
>> 
>> > I was able to get on 222 here tonight for about 30 minutes.  I worked
>> 
>> > VE3DS at 369 miles, KO4YC at 385 miles, and K1WHS at 125 miles.
>> 
>> > Hopefully I can get on more often on Tuesday nights.
>> 
>> > Thanks Dave for drumming up the activity!
>> 
>> > 73
>> 
>> > Fred
>> 
>> > N1DPM
>> 
>> > FN32qb
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:18 PM David Olean <k1whs@metrocast.net
>> 
>> > <mailto:k1whs@metrocast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> >     Just two days after the big June VHF Contest. I know everybody is
>> 
>> >     probably sick to death of working 50 MHz DX. You would most likely
>> 
>> >     rather do anything but more ham radio, but it is 222 Night! I will be
>> 
>> >     on starting around 7 or 7:30 PM local time or 2300 UT and will be
>> 
>> >     making
>> 
>> >     noise on 222.100 thereabouts. When we quit contesting Sunday
>> 
>> >     night, I
>> 
>> >     am sure that the diesel generator was running on fumes. I will
>> 
>> >     drag up a
>> 
>> >     6 gallon can of diesel fuel to make sure I don't run out.
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> >     I hope to see you on 222 MHz
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> >     Dave K1WHS
>> 
>> >
>> 
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