What does this have to do with amplifiers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take this foolishness off the reflector, everyone is tired of deleting your
waste of band space.
Pat W1KA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ragnar Otterstad" <otterstad@enter.vg>
To: "Jimmy Jones" <jjones@etex.net>; <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Amps] RE: Amps Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60
> ,
>
> ,
> > I've also found out my senator, Olympia Snow is on the tele-
> ,
> ,.
> @Report it Roger and let the officials do there jobs.
> @I think we called guys like you Deputy Dogs or Barney Fifes.
> @God Speed to Our Troops, I back them and Our President all the way. @God
> Bless America and to hell with Sadam Hussein and people like you Roger who
> blame everything on Someone else and are always looking for some other
> way to get government into our lives.@Wake up man..........We don't want
> government into everything we do.
>
>
> By the sound of it, you did not read this one :
>
>
> IHT: Norman Mailer: Gaining an empire, losing democracy?
>
>
> Norman Mailer Tribune Media Services Tuesday, February 25, 2003
> Iraq is an excuse
>
> LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
prepare
> for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and many
> conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can save
> America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime with a
> greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
Americans
> might lose their democracy in the process.
> .
> By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the church
> scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in the
eyes
> of
> conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
conservatives,
> the
> culture has become too sexual.
> .
> Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq, as
they
> originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would enable
> them
> to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the oil
> there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
rivers - to
> build a world empire.
> .
> The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe that
in
> itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
happen:
> terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy is
in
> the
> Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will generate.
> .
> The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the Bushites'
> minds
> is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration about
> America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science, technology
and
> engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
American
> doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> doctorates
> in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> .
> Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will come
a
> time
> when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
comes,
> America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will be as
the
> Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
slaves.
> But
> don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
scenario
> that
> some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome as
a
> metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
facts).
> .
> What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much more
> opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among the
> home
> population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
strategy to
> contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> trouble.
> .
> My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is going
to
> go
> to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> .
> The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
become a
> mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance in
> Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on the
> American
> system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it is,
may
> give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old now -
> suggests
> that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> .
> Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be called
> upon
> to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult because
the
> combination of the corporation, the military and the complete investiture
of
> the
> flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere in
> America
> already.
> .
> Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on Writing."
> This
> comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute for
the
> Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> International.
>
> < < Back to Start of Article Iraq is an excuse
>
> LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
prepare
> for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and many
> conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can save
> America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime with a
> greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
Americans
> might lose their democracy in the process.
> .
> By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the church
> scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in the
eyes
> of
> conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
conservatives,
> the
> culture has become too sexual.
> .
> Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq, as
they
> originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would enable
> them
> to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the oil
> there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
rivers - to
> build a world empire.
> .
> The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe that
in
> itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
happen:
> terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy is
in
> the
> Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will generate.
> .
> The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the Bushites'
> minds
> is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration about
> America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science, technology
and
> engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
American
> doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> doctorates
> in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> .
> Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will come
a
> time
> when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
comes,
> America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will be as
the
> Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
slaves.
> But
> don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
scenario
> that
> some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome as
a
> metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
facts).
> .
> What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much more
> opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among the
> home
> population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
strategy to
> contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> trouble.
> .
> My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is going
to
> go
> to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> .
> The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
become a
> mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance in
> Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on the
> American
> system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it is,
may
> give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old now -
> suggests
> that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> .
> Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be called
> upon
> to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult because
the
> combination of the corporation, the military and the complete investiture
of
> the
> flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere in
> America
> already.
> .
> Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on Writing."
> This
> comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute for
the
> Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> International. Iraq is an excuse
>
> LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
prepare
> for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and many
> conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can save
> America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime with a
> greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
Americans
> might lose their democracy in the process.
> .
> By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the church
> scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in the
eyes
> of
> conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
conservatives,
> the
> culture has become too sexual.
> .
> Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq, as
they
> originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would enable
> them
> to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the oil
> there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
rivers - to
> build a world empire.
> .
> The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe that
in
> itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
happen:
> terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy is
in
> the
> Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will generate.
> .
> The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the Bushites'
> minds
> is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration about
> America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science, technology
and
> engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
American
> doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> doctorates
> in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> .
> Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will come
a
> time
> when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
comes,
> America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will be as
the
> Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
slaves.
> But
> don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
scenario
> that
> some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome as
a
> metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
facts).
> .
> What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much more
> opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among the
> home
> population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
strategy to
> contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> trouble.
> .
> My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is going
to
> go
> to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> .
> The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
become a
> mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance in
> Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on the
> American
> system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it is,
may
> give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old now -
> suggests
> that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> .
> Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be called
> upon
> to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult because
the
> combination of the corporation, the military and the complete investiture
of
> the
> flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere in
> America
> already.
> .
> Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on Writing."
> This
> comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute for
the
> Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> International. Iraq is an excuse
>
> LOS ANGELES There is a subtext to what the Bushites are doing as they
prepare
> for war in Iraq. My hypothesis is that President George W. Bush and many
> conservatives have come to the conclusion that the only way they can save
> America and get if off its present downslope is to become a regime with a
> greater military presence and drive toward empire. My fear is that
Americans
> might lose their democracy in the process.
> .
> By downslope I'm referring not only to the corporate scandals, the church
> scandals and the FBI scandals. The country has gone kind of crazy in the
eyes
> of
> conservatives. Also, kids can't read anymore. Especially for
conservatives,
> the
> culture has become too sexual.
> .
> Iraq is the excuse for moving in an imperial direction. War with Iraq, as
they
> originally conceived it, would be a quick, dramatic step that would enable
> them
> to control the Near East as a powerful base - not least because of the oil
> there, as well as the water supplies from the Tigris and Euphrates
rivers - to
> build a world empire.
> .
> The Bushites also expect to bring democracy to the region and believe that
in
> itself will help to diminish terrorism. But I expect the opposite will
happen:
> terrorists are not impressed by democracy. They loathe it. They are
> fundamentalists of the most basic kind. The more successful democracy is
in
> the
> Near East - not likely in my view - the more terrorism it will generate.
> .
> The only outstanding obstacle to the drive toward empire in the Bushites'
> minds
> is China. Indeed, one of the great fears in the Bush administration about
> America's downslope is that the "stem studies" such as science, technology
and
> engineering are all faring poorly in U.S. universities. The number of
American
> doctorates is going down and down. But the number of Asians obtaining
> doctorates
> in those same stem studies are increasing at a great rate.
> .
> Looking 20 years ahead, the administration perceives that there will come
a
> time
> when China will have technology superior to America's. When that time
comes,
> America might well say to China that "we can work together," we will be as
the
> Romans to you Greeks. You will be our extraordinary, well-cultivated
slaves.
> But
> don't try to dominate us. That would be your disaster. This is the
scenario
> that
> some of the brightest neoconservatives are thinking about. (I use Rome as
a
> metaphor, because metaphors are usually much closer to the truth than
facts).
> .
> What has happened, of course, is that the Bushites have run into much more
> opposition than they thought they would from other countries and among the
> home
> population. It may well end up that we won't have a war, but a new
strategy to
> contain Iraq and wear Saddam down. If that occurs, Bush is in terrible
> trouble.
> .
> My guess though, is that, like it or not, want it or not, America is going
to
> go
> to war because that is the only solution Bush and his people can see.
> .
> The dire prospect that opens, therefore, is that America is going to
become a
> mega-banana republic where the army will have more and more importance in
> Americans' lives. It will be an ever greater and greater overlay on the
> American
> system. And before it is all over, democracy, noble and delicate as it is,
may
> give way. My long experience with human nature - I'm 80 years old now -
> suggests
> that it is possible that fascism, not democracy, is the natural state.
> .
> Indeed, democracy is the special condition - a condition we will be called
> upon
> to defend in the coming years. That will be enormously difficult because
the
> combination of the corporation, the military and the complete investiture
of
> the
> flag with mass spectator sports has set up a pre-fascistic atmosphere in
> America
> already.
> .
> Norman Mailer's latest book is "The Spooky Art: Some Thoughts on Writing."
> This
> comment was adapted from remarks Feb. 22 to the Los Angeles Institute for
the
> Humanities and distributed by Global Viewpoint/Tribune Media Services
> International.
>
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