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Re: [Amps] Need Diagnostic help

To: Thomas Hix <w4th@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Need Diagnostic help
From: Gary Schafer <garyschafer@comcast.net>
Reply-to: garyschafer@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:35:01 -0400
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If you have an old house that has fuses rather than circuit breakers, look for corroded fuses. I have seen fuses get corroded and give intermittent problems even though they may be screwed in tight. Also poor connections at the outlet. Loose screws on the outlet wires and or loose screws at the fuse panel.

These type of poor connections often "cure" themselves temporarily when high current is drawn through them. They arc and weld themselves closed enough to conduct for awhile.

My first bet however would be poor connections at the power pole to the drop to your house. Had that problem here. Had intermittent noise on the line and would keep tripping the UPS supply. It was fast enough that it could not be seen with a voltmeter on the line. I finally convinced the power company that they had a bad connection at the transformer. Sure enough there splice was partially burned and looked awful.

I have some large air conditioners that draw a lot ac power among other thing in the house. They all ran fine but the arcing would cause high noise on the line intermittently.

73
Gary  K4FMX


Thomas Hix wrote:
I am my wits end with a recurring problem, and I am hoping maybe some of you may be able to help me.
The last two amps I have had both seemed to be arcing internally somewhere.
The first amp I had problem with was an Emtron DX2SP......The high voltage meter would deflect downward slightly and there would be the sound of an arc inside the amp......you know a buzzing sound that sounds just like a small arc to ground.
We took the amp apart and for the life of us we could never find an arc......I sent the amp to a friend who is a major repair shop for amps and rigs, and it would never do it at his shop.....never.
We got it back, and it started doing it again here.....slight deflection of the high voltage meter and the buzzing sound inside the amp.
I got disgusted and sold the amp......and then I bought a like new Alpha 77SX with 2 8877's.
I used it a few weeks and no problem.....I was getting about 4kw out with 100 watts drive (into a dummy load of course) and the amp just worked wonderfully.


Then a couple of weeks back, it started doing the same exact thing as the Emtron DX2SP had done.......the high voltage meter would deflect and the arcing sound was there just like in the Emtron DX-2SP.....I had the Alpha taken to my friends shop.....He took it completely apart and checked everthing....every wire....every connection for any break or sign of arcing.....nothing....he even checked the oil filled capacitor.....it was fine.... and he ran it for 3 weeks, and he never once had any sign of arcing or any meter deflection......nothing....once again, the amp ran beautifully at his shop and he used it on the air for 3 full weeks.....nothing.

He brought it back home to me Sunday......we hooked it up, and there it was again......it was once again making the arcing/buzzing sound inside the amp, and every time it did it, it was making the high voltage meter deflect downward at the same time the arcing/buzzing sound would happen.

OK that is 2 different amps that had the same exact symptoms while at my location hooked to my 240 line.......both amps were making the arcing/buzzing sound inside the amp and both were showing a downward deflection on the high voltage meter.......both amps worked wonderfully with no sign of arcing/buzzing and no high voltage meter deflection when hooked up at my friends shop.

That can only bring me to one conclusion.....there is something wrong with my 240 line?????

My question to the group is this......Could a problem with my 240 line cause these amps to make an arcing/buzzing sound inside the amp that sounds just like something is arcing to the cabinet without this actually happening.....I can see where if I have a bad connection or something like that inside my breaker box or even on my 240 wall outlet I might see a deflection on the high voltage meter, but could that also cause there amps to make a noise like something is arcing inside the amp???

I tell you this has really got my goat......I cant imagine what a bad 240 volt connection could do to there 2 amps that would make an arcing sound inside the amp, but there is no arcing to be found??? We have looked inside the amp with all the lights out at night when any arc should show up, but we can not see any kind of arc.....so I am thinking there is some component inside the Emtron DX-2SP and the Alpha 77SX that will make that kind of arcing sound.....even though it does not arc......when it loses either ground or voltage on the 240 line for a split second.

I am a handicapped person so I cant check out my 240 line myself. I live in an old house and there is no telling what can be wrong with the 240 line.....but I need a starting point....some things to look at when I do get someone to come and see if they can get this thing figured out.

I am open to any suggestions and or diagnosis.......I NEED HELP! This is driving me nuts.

Thanks!!!
73
Tom......W4TH


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