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Re: [Amps] T networks and harmonics

To: "Jim Kearman" <jkearman@att.net>, "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] T networks and harmonics
From: "carl s." <carlseye@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:17:58 -0500
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   In reply to all this discussion, !! How , and /or where does Our
  Wonderful FCC , expect the "average" Ham to "buy and or borrow" the the
required "expertise and/or equipment to check all this output stuff.????
    In all my years I've never had anyone complain about my signal
   quality, be it am, fm, ssb, or any other. I had one msg. from an
   OO way back in the late 50's or so, when I got a report of 2nd harmonic
on 40 mtrs. when I was on 80 , mtrs.But that's not quite the same thing
today.!!! (that was on CW )
    Oh, well !!!!
     Just my two cents worth.!!!!
    carl / kz5ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kearman" <jkearman@att.net>
To: "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] T networks and harmonics


> From: "Gary Schafer" <garyschafer@comcast.net>
>
> > I guess this was in response to your response to someone that said that
"a T
> > network tuner after the amp would not help reduce harmonics as it was
> > basically a high pass filter". You said that "it would help some".
>
> Of course, this is beyond the scope of my original post about the need for
pi-L output tanks to meet current FCC requirements, but thanks for the
backup. The Regs require spurious emissions be below a certain level _at the
output of the transmitter_, which would imply the output of the amplifier
used in conjunction with a transmitter or transceiver. Not the output of the
antenna tuner unless it is integrated into the amp/transmitter.
>
> Also, while a T-network _may_ attenuate harmonics sufficiently so that the
total system meets the spirit of the Regs, it's hard to know the effect of
any combination of antenna and tuner settings. If the second harmonic at the
amp output is -35 dB and the tuner adds another 8 dB, you have the -43 dB
required by the Regs, though not in the right place. Yes, I doubt FCC is
going to come knocking, but we want to build according to the best Amateur
standards.
>
> So I think we can draw two conclusions: A pi network is inadequate, and a
t-network antenna tuner is neither a legal nor a necessarily adequate
solution.
>
> In case the Commission is reading this, I assure them my pi-net amplifier
was "installed" prior to 1978!
>
> 73,
>
> Jim, KR1S
> http://kr1s.kearman.com/
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