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Re: [Amps] Fan for SB220

To: "Gary Smith" <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fan for SB220
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:55:50 -0500
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Well, polished and finned aluminum heads on a flathead Ford V-8 both look 
nice and work well and Ive had them on several of my rides over the past 50+ 
years. With a large overbore, increaser compression, and a decent cam those 
engines tend to run hot.

I'll defer to the pros at the amp companies and the military who use nice 
shiny aluminum on the inside.

Carl
KM1H


------ Original Message ----- 
From: Gary Smith
To: Carl ; amps@contesting.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fan for SB220


This may seem to be to at first but let me go on.
Years ago the same belief existed regarding black vs. sliver on the 
cylinders of cast iron Harley -Davison motorcycles.  (Yes, I am that old I 
have seen (and owned H-D's) with cast iron cylinders.) One school of thought 
was "paint`em black, it'll draw the heat out rather than keep it in"  The 
other group's belief was "paint it silver, that will draw the heat out" and 
so forth.  The comeuppance was that H-D offered bother colors of paint in 
touch up cans when the cylinders got dinged to appease both groups
Pont here is make an aluminum separator and paint it black?  Or just leave 
it plain finish.  Me thinks the difference in temp would not be worth the 
effort,  Its just a matter of belief.
But as a director of air one way or the other, that's a different subject.
Gary...wa6fgi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Carl
To: donroden@hiwaay.net ; amps@contesting.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fan for SB220


I dont see how that shield helps anything Don, especially black. Have you
done any temperature tests on the tubes and shield? A shroud partially or
fully encloses the fan as in automotive use.

Carl
KM1H


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <donroden@hiwaay.net>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fan for SB220


>
> Carl,
>
> I'm supprised no one has mentioned adding a black aluminum shield
> between two 3-500s to help prevent the two tubes from radiating heat (
> and rf ) into each other.  I've done this on my SB220, but didn't do
> any IMD measurements. It seems to improve the air flow too.
>
> Don R  W4DNR
>
> Quoting Carl <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>:
>
>> Tests have shown that the turbulance from the high speed Harbach does
>> little
>> for the cooling unless a shroud is added. The one saving grace is a WW
>> resistor can be added to reduce the speed a bit and reduce the noise;
>> 150-250 Ohms 20W seems to do well. Dentron and Amp Supply used a resistor
>> in
>> many of their amps.
>>
>> Carl
>> KM1H
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David G4FTC" <g4ftc@hotmail.com>
>> To: <amps@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Fan for SB220
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A local ham buddy just got back into the hobby after an 8 year hiatus
>>>> and
>>>> got a hold of 2 SB220's. He noticed they run hot and he asked the
>>>> following question...so I figured there are folks out here who might
>>>> know
>>>> the answer
>>>>
>>>> "....see how guys like the Harbach fan kit for the SB220? Mine is
>>>> running
>>>> hot and LOUD. I oiled the
>>>> bearings and cleaned it off of dust, but it's still got to go"
>>>>
>>>> Anyone done this mod?
>>>>
>>>> I recommended a small muffin on top to help extract the hot air for
>>>> now.
>>>> I did it on my old 30L1 and it sure cooled it down.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm using one of the Harbach fans on a SB220 - they move a lot more air
>>> than the original Heathkit fans.
>>>
>>> Higher air-flow = higher noise
>>>
>>> But I can't say I've noticed that it runs hot.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> David G4FTC
>>>
>>>
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