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Subject: Re: [Amps] Amps Digest, Vol 105, Issue 9
From: K3vw@aol.com
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT)
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A lot of folks on this site do not understand the "Gettering process" !  
Bringing a tube up to normal operating parameters is not gettering! I suggest  
that these folks "Google" the gettering process before talking about it. 
Willy  Worth  K3VW
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Alpha 76a  (Patrick Barthelow)
2. Re: Alpha 76a (ROBERT  HARMON)
3. Re: Alpha 76a (Colin Lamb)
4.  Ameritron AL-80B ( s-roabr@online.no )
5. Re: Ameritron AL-80B  (Mitch Cox)
6. Re: Alpha 76a (ROBERT HARMON)
7. Re: Alpha 76a (Alek Petkovic)
8. Re: Alpha 76a  (Carl)
9. Re: Alpha 76a  (Carl)


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Message:  1
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:00:23 -0700
From: Patrick Barthelow  <apolloeme@live.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To:  <mikea@mikea.ath.cx>, <amps@contesting.com>
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I received a  76A about 6  months ago, as a gift from a OOM who I helped a 
lot when he was active.   A 3 holer, that had been stored for some time, I 
"gettered" it, slowly,  bringing it back to life, without incident.  On ALL 
amps I have run, I am  hyper aware and observant of grid current, in the 
interest of long life, and  note that Bob Wolbert has published a grid 
overcurrent trip circuit for the  Alpha, that might be wise to install.   While 
getting used to normal  tuning dynamics of my New/old stock Alpha, I was 
startled 
somewhat at the grid  current dynamics.  At how quickly  the Ig goes from 
very low values  to very high values with small adjustments of input power, 
and tune and load  controls, even with a good amount of loading.  Perhaps 
this is "normal"  for a 3 holer '76A but maybe it is saying something about one 
or more  tubes.   Other than that Ig sensitivity, the Alpha  is   the "AC 
Cobra  427 " of amps, IMHO.  and with winter coming up, if I  operate QRO 
with it, I will not 
heed a shack heater, or a fire to cook  marshmallows.

Best Regards,   
Pat Barthelow   AA6EG



> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:31:22 -0500
> From:  mikea@mikea.ath.cx
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps]  Alpha 76a
> 
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:20:33AM -0700, ROBERT  HARMON wrote:
> > Charles,
> > 
> > 
> > I  agree 100%. The Alpha 76PAC is one of the best amps ever made, a real
>  > workhorse. Like a Timex watch, "takes a licking and keeps on ticking"  
,
> > with one caveat, as you indicated, watch the grid  current.
> > I run mine hard all the time (and keep a watchful eye on  the grid
> > current)
> > Remember the "brick on the key"  advertisements for these amps ? My
> > favorite is the ad used in  1981 which shows the usual heading of " Key
> > Down, How Long ?" and  instead of the normally used brick on the key 
there
> > is a skeleton  sitting there with his hand on the key. Now thats a good
> > amp !  hihihi
> 
>  Erm ... As long as he's not wearing a nametag  that reads "Ross Hull". 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Andrews,  W5EGO
> mikea@mikea.ath.cx
> Tired old sysadmin 
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Sep  2011 13:23:52 -0700
From: ROBERT HARMON  <k6uj@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To:  amps@contesting.com
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Pat,
Congratulations on acquiring the  76A, she will serve you well !
The grid overcurrent protection is a good  idea.  I am considering this for 
my amp.  Normally I keep 
a  close eye on the grid current but in the heat of battle during a contest 
 sometimes we lose our grip, hihi.
One thing you might consider if you  haven't already is replacing the power 
supply HV filter caps.  They are  more than ready 
to be replaced if they are the originals.   

73,
Bob
K6UJ


On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Patrick  Barthelow wrote:

> 
> I received a  76A about 6 months  ago, as a gift from a OOM who I helped 
a lot when he was active.  A 3  holer, that had been stored for some time, I 
"gettered" it, slowly, bringing  it back to life, without incident.  On ALL 
amps I have run, I am hyper  aware and observant of grid current, in the 
interest of long life, and note  that Bob Wolbert has published a grid 
overcurrent trip circuit for the Alpha,  that might be wise to install.   While 
getting used to normal tuning  dynamics of my New/old stock Alpha, I was 
startled somewhat at the grid  current dynamics.  At how quickly  the Ig goes 
from 
very low values  to very high values with small adjustments of input power, 
and tune and load  controls, even with a good amount of loading.  Perhaps 
this is "normal"  for a 3 holer '76A but maybe it is saying something about 
one or more  tubes.   Other than that Ig sensitivity, the Alpha  is   the "AC 
Cobra  427 " of amps, IMHO.  and with winter coming up, if I  operate QRO 
with it, I will no
t 
> heed a shack heater, or a fire to  cook marshmallows.
> 
> Best Regards,   
> Pat  Barthelow  AA6EG
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep  2011 13:31:22 -0500
>> From: mikea@mikea.ath.cx
>> To:  amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
>>  
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:20:33AM -0700, ROBERT HARMON  wrote:
>>> Charles,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I agree 100%. The Alpha 76PAC is one of the best amps ever  made, a real
>>> workhorse. Like a Timex watch, "takes a licking  and keeps on ticking" ,
>>> with one caveat, as you indicated,  watch the grid current.
>>> I run mine hard all the time (and keep  a watchful eye on the grid
>>> current)
>>> Remember  the "brick on the key" advertisements for these amps ? My
>>>  favorite is the ad used in 1981 which shows the usual heading of "  Key
>>> Down, How Long ?" and instead of the normally used brick  on the key 
there
>>> is a skeleton sitting there with his hand on  the key. Now thats a good
>>> amp ! hihihi
>>  
>> Erm ... As long as he's not wearing a nametag that reads "Ross  Hull". 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mike Andrews,  W5EGO
>> mikea@mikea.ath.cx
>> Tired old sysadmin  
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Message:  3
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:43:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Colin Lamb  <k7fm@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To:  amps@contesting.com
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<553556.1315860207266.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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"One thing you might  consider if you haven't already is replacing the 
power supply HV filter  caps.  They are more than ready One thing you might 
consider if you  haven't already is replacing the power supply HV filter caps."

Two  weeks ago, I had my Alpha 76A apart and decided to check out the 
electrolytics  and bleeder resistors.  I removed each capacitor and checked 
them 
with a  capacitance meter and and ESR meter.  I also measured the leakage 
current  under load.  The amp had not been used for years, but after forming 
for a  few minutes, the leakage current dropped to almost nothing.  Measured  
capacitance was within a couple percent.  

These caps are high  quality original caps and did not need replacement.  
Although I have  found other amps that needed replacement caps, the Alphas 
have held up  well.  Worthwhile to try them before replacement.

73,   Colin  K7FM


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Message:  4
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:18:09 +0200
From: " s-roabr@online.no "  <s-roabr@online.no>
Subject: [Amps] Ameritron AL-80B
To:  amps@contesting.com
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Hi

I have a AL-80B, all  bands is ok. But it have max 300w on 10m. Any idea 
how to find out why?
Any  one have had same problem?

sent by HTC
LA6FJA K3RAG Stein Roar  Brobakken




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Message:  5
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:36:14 -0400
From: "Mitch Cox"  <ww4cox@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Ameritron AL-80B
To:  <amps@contesting.com>,     <s-roabr@online.no>
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Have you looked at the  SWR between the radio and amp on 10 meters?
----- Original Message  ----- 
From: s-roabr@online.no 
To: amps@contesting.com  
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: [Amps]  Ameritron AL-80B


Hi

I have a AL-80B, all bands  is ok. But it have max 300w on 10m. Any idea 
how to find out why?
Any one have had same problem?

sent by HTC
LA6FJA  K3RAG Stein Roar Brobakken



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Message:  6
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:20:06 -0700
From: ROBERT HARMON  <k6uj@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To:  amps@contesting.com
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Colin,

I didn't check  the caps in my 76, I didn't see any evidence of swelling or 
leaking when I  visually inspected them 
but since they were original I thought it would be  prudent to replace them.
HV electrolytics have a life span of between  15-20yrs.  They quit 
producing the Alpha 76 series in 1985 so the  original 
76 series HV filter caps are at least 26 years old.    
They probably would have lasted longer before failing but I felt it was  
good preventive maintenance.
Replacing the cap bank is pretty easy.   RF Parts has the original replaceme
nts.

Another PM item worth doing is  lubing the fan.  The 76 fan has a sleeve 
bearing and a little lube will  extend the life
and prevent the fan from getting noisy and needing  replacement down the 
road.  (The original fans are no longer  available.)  
Remove the motor end cover and do several repeated  applications of fine 
machine oil like 3 in one oil.  The shaft bearing  is  
a porous bronze alloy and will soak up a substantial amount of  oil.  The 
motor end cover has an o-ring seal to prevent any oil from  
leaking out.   

Bob
K6UJ




On Sep 12,  2011, at 1:43 PM, Colin Lamb wrote:

> "One thing you might consider  if you haven't already is replacing the 
power supply HV filter caps.   They are more than ready One thing you might 
consider if you haven't already  is replacing the power supply HV filter caps."
> 
> Two weeks ago,  I had my Alpha 76A apart and decided to check out the 
electrolytics and  bleeder resistors.  I removed each capacitor and checked 
them with a  capacitance meter and and ESR meter.  I also measured the leakage 
current  under load.  The amp had not been used for years, but after forming 
for a  few minutes, the leakage current dropped to almost nothing.  
Measured  capacitance was within a couple percent.  
> 
> These caps  are high quality original caps and did not need replacement.  
Although I  have found other amps that needed replacement caps, the Alphas 
have held up  well.  Worthwhile to try them before replacement.
> 
>  73,  Colin  K7FM
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Message:  7
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:36:46 +0800
From: Alek Petkovic  <vk6apk@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To:  amps@contesting.com
Message-ID:  <4E6E978E.6020407@bigpond.com>
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So, you are saying that, if you push  it really hard, then it will easily 
achieve Thailand's 200W PEP  limit?

Plus headroom.  :-)  :-)

73, Alek.  VK6APK.


On 12/09/2011 12:10 PM, Charles Harpole wrote:
> I  have an Alpha 76PAC and IF you watch the grid, you can drive this amp 
to 3kw  out if u want.... This is one battleship amp, but too much grid, 
over half  scale is vy bad, will kill the tubes fast.Alpha always sez "No ALC." 
 I  agree.  ALC is for whimps.  Please, gentlemen and ladies, your  radios 
ARE THERE TO USE, not to baby and fall in love with....they are things,  not 
people.DRIVE IT ....DRIVE IT... GO GO GO...........  73, Charles  Harpole 
k4vud@hotmail.com               
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Message:  8
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:57:59 -0400
From: "Carl"  <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To: "ROBERT  HARMON" <k6uj@pacbell.net>,     <amps@contesting.com>
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Mine is a 3 holer PA that had a hard former life in  a Caribbean contest 
station. It was given to me as payment for fixing  their other amps and I 
put 
it back together as new....almost.

I run  at 1200-1300W maximum and keep the grid current and drive as low as  
possible to get there. Since it is the 2nd station amp it gets very light  
duty except when chasing new ones on several bands.
The primary amp is  still a LK-500ZC Ive had since 86.

While swapping to a pair of 3CX800's  is simple enough even those are not 
cheap as medical pulls and at some  finite date Eimac will kill those also.

Carl
KM1H


-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "ROBERT HARMON"  <k6uj@pacbell.net>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday,  September 12, 2011 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha  76a


Charles,


I agree 100%.   The Alpha 76PAC  is one of the best amps ever made, a real 
workhorse.  Like a Timex  watch,
"takes a licking and keeps on ticking" ,  with one caveat, as  you 
indicated, 
watch the grid current.
I run mine hard all the time  (and keep a watchful eye on the grid current)
Remember the "brick on the  key" advertisements for these amps ?  My 
favorite 
is the ad   used in 1981
which shows the usual heading of " Key Down, How Long ?"   and instead of 
the 
normally used brick on the
key there is a skeleton  sitting there with his hand on the key.  Now thats 
a 
good amp !   hihihi

73,
Bob
K6UJ







Alpha ?brick  on the key? durability. If you are looking for a good used 
entry level  amp, it's hard to go wrong with this old work horse. I 
personally would  like to see Alpha bring this amp back into production, 
the 
simplicity of  analog metering with basic controls is the way to go. The 
?over use? of  LED metering electronics just adds to the cost.




On Sep 11,  2011, at 9:10 PM, Charles Harpole wrote:

>
> I have an Alpha  76PAC and IF you watch the grid, you can drive this amp 
to 
> 3kw out if  u want.... This is one battleship amp, but too much grid, 
over 
> half  scale is vy bad, will kill the tubes fast.Alpha always sez "No 
ALC." 
>  I agree.  ALC is for whimps.  Please, gentlemen and ladies, your  radios 
> ARE THERE TO USE, not to baby and fall in love with....they  are things, 
> not people.DRIVE IT ....DRIVE IT... GO GO  GO...........  73, Charles 
> Harpole k4vud@hotmail.com
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Message:  9
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:58:32 -0400
From: "Carl"  <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a
To: "Colin  Lamb" <k7fm@teleport.com>,     <amps@contesting.com>
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I dont trust any electrolytic that is 30 or so  years old. At $13 and 
change 
each I bought new ones from Ameritron and  also replaced the equalizers.

A big problem with many 76's is the C-109  tantalum, C-108 electrolytic, 
R-116 (go to a 1W), and R-124 a 2W carbon  that drifts up in value to the 
point K-6 never  activates.

Carl
KM1H




----- Original Message -----  
From: "Colin Lamb" <k7fm@teleport.com>
To:  <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:43  PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 76a


> "One thing you might  consider if you haven't already is replacing the 
> power supply HV  filter caps.  They are more than ready One thing you 
might 
>  consider if you haven't already is replacing the power supply HV filter  
> caps."
>
> Two weeks ago, I had my Alpha 76A apart and  decided to check out the 
> electrolytics and bleeder resistors.  I  removed each capacitor and 
checked 
> them with a capacitance meter and  and ESR meter.  I also measured the 
> leakage current under  load.  The amp had not been used for years, but 
> after forming  for a few minutes, the leakage current dropped to almost 
>  nothing.  Measured capacitance was within a couple  percent.
>
> These caps are high quality original caps and did not  need replacement. 
> Although I have found other amps that needed  replacement caps, the 
Alphas 
> have held up well.  Worthwhile to  try them before replacement.
>
> 73,  Colin   K7FM
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