KM1H,
Case 1:
Your comment: "In your case the seller probably figured "why bother
responding, I'll just let him wait for PayPal to close the case".
Seller did not send item after taking money, and did not respond to any
communications attempts, seller did not even ack receipt of my payment,
(PayPal indicated he received it... Yes, I really want my bread
buttered on both sides... What a fool I am to expect the seller to let
me know he even got my payment, much less ship the item... Silly greedy
me... You sort of missed the point of the example...
Case 2:
Your comment: "PayPal written policy is that the buyer returns items at
his own expense and it is also right in the sellers listing if you
bother to read the details. It sounds as if you want both sides of the
bread buttered.
Item arrived broken... Seller refused to correct the problem in a way
that insured his item worked, asking me to gamble that the part he sent
would correct the issue, or "he would be done with the deal, or I could
return it", I chose to return the item. After sending the seller the
tracking information, (remember the seller said to return it), the
seller started saying he would not accept it and would refuse it at the
door...
To recap, I purchased an item, paid for postage to get it to me, and the
seller would not correct the broken item and told me I could return
it... I return it, and the seller then says he will not accept it...
Again, silly me for expecting the item to arrive working as advertised,
or the seller to actually back up his product, or stand by his
invitation to return it...
Again, silly me... Again, you miss the point... Sellers item was
BROKEN and not working, seller said return it, then said he would refuse
it... Seller did not correct this... BTW: Paypal did have the seller
pay return postage regardless of what you say...
Lets see I have had two cases in 10 years as a buyer, and none as a
seller... Yes, I am a real abuser of the PayPal process and without a
doubt am trying to take advantage of the poor sellers... Silly me for
expecting the product to even be shipped, or if shipped arrive
working...
As I said, in no case will I buy OR SELL unless Paypal is involved...
Yes I said SELL, I am not afraid that PayPal will end up with any sort
of issue, as I communicate with the buyer or seller...
I want the buyer/seller to be happy and not worried about an item or
payment when I sell/buy... I have sold many items over the past 10
years and have had ZERO issues as a seller... Perhaps that is because I
advertise the item in exactly the condition it is in, including as many
photos as possible. I have 100% good feedback on eBay as a result of
this...
If an item arrives DOA, I eat the return postage, and refund the money,
then I sort it out. In essence I take the risk that the item will
arrive intact. I also insure every item I mail for the replacement
value in the event something does happen, so far nothing has ever
happened in shipment...
Do you have some issue with PayPal, or do you actually believe your
point has some merit? If so, please elucidate!
--
73's and Thanks,
Dave
http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more...
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:59 -0400, Carl wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Cole" <dave@nk7z.net>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source
>
>
> >I have found just the opposite... I have had two cases with Paypal over
> > a 15 year period... I was the buyer, and in both cases I feel I got
> > cheated by the seller...
> >
> > Case 1:
> > I sent money to a person for an item, never got the item... Got email
> > telling me it would be shipped real soon now... But somehow it never
> > got shipped. Within 30 days Paypal removed the funds from the seller,
> > and deposited them in my account. The seller never responded to Paypal
> > when they asked for his side of the story. That vendor no longer has
> > the Paypal logo on his website...
>
>
> I think you got that a bit wrong. When you open a dispute with PayPal they
> immediately withdraw the seller funds but dont tell you. In your case the
> seller probably figured "why bother responding, I'll just let him wait for
> PayPal to close the case".
>
>
> >
> > Case 2:
> > I purchased an item, it arrived damaged, (I am sure it happened in
> > shipping), and the vendor offered to send a part to fix the item, being
> > unsure it would correct the issue, the catch-- if it did not fix the
> > issue too bad for me, the deal would be over... The replacement part
> > was a 50 cent part BTW... To make a long story short, I told the vendor
> > I would return his item, at his postage expense, as I had paid shipping
> > already to get it delivered. The vendor went insane... Started telling
> > me about his money problems, his house mortgage, his and his parents
> > health issues, etc. and how he would not pay a dime in postage because
> > of these other issues no matter what... He stupidly did this in
> > email... I sent all of this along to Paypal, and within 30 days, and
> > after Paypal had been in touch with the vendor, they found in my
> > favor...
> >
> > I based on this, I will simply not do business with ANYONE who will not
> > take PayPal.
> >
> > Could you expand on what happened to you?
>
>
> PayPal written policy is that the buyer returns items at his own expense and
> it is also right in the sellers listing if you bother to read the details.
> It sounds as if you want both sides of the bread buttered.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
>
> >
> > --
> > 73's and Thanks,
> > Dave
> > http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 21:24 -0500, Eddie-kv5i wrote:
> >> Partner, Epay ain't gonna do a damn thing about anything! I had a 100%
> >> record since 1997. I had a new "amateur radio operator" from Florida
> >> steal
> >> my $80, my item, and ruin my record. Epay will do nothing except steal
> >> your
> >> money and then let PayPal steal the rest.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tom Horton" <k5iid@sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source
> >>
> >>
> >> Carey,
> >> I hope you have reported this to eBay. Send a copy of his letter backto
> >> you
> >> as well... He will probably be seen to.
> >> Tom K5IID
> >>
> >> There is no joy in Mudville!
> >>
> >>
> >> K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
> >> E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
> >> Same call for 55 years!
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 3/19/13, Leigh Turner <invertech@frontierisp.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Leigh Turner <invertech@frontierisp.net.au>
> >> Subject: Re: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY! / an alternative source
> >> To: amps@contesting.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 7:29 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Carey,
> >>
> >> It is disconcerting to hear this unprincipled cowboy story.
> >>
> >> If you want an honest and reliable and fairly priced source of Russian
> >> military surplus tubes then you can't go past Dr Alex Garvva UR4LL in
> >> Ukraine. I've dealt with Alex for many years and never had a dud tube or
> >> any
> >> other component.
> >>
> >> http://www.ur4ll.net/
> >>
> >> Dr Alex is highly recommended.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Leigh
> >> VK5KLT
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carey
> >> Lockhart
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:34 AM
> >> To: amps@contesting.com
> >> Subject: [Amps] BAD DEAL STAY AWAY!
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I would like to say that i am not in the habit of flaming someone but
> >> this guy i will. I went to ebay and purchased a pair of gs35b tubes from
> >> a seller named Tube-Shop also known as Serge UT5JCW for the only reason
> >> that he offered a 14 day return. i usally buy from qro-parts with no
> >> problems. so i did get the tubes and yes one was bad. i emailed Serge
> >> UT5JCW and asked to exchange the bad tube. he said fine. meantime after
> >> thinking about it i desided it would be cheaper for both of us if i
> >> would just buy another tube without a cooler. 80 dollars to be exact. so
> >> today i went to his store on ebay and added the tube and a really neat
> >> little transverter board to my cart. guess what i have been blocked from
> >> buying from him and can not even contact him through ebay. after digging
> >> through old emails i find his address from the paypal payment. i email
> >> him and ask why i was blocked. here is his reply and quote
> >>
> >> "To be hornest I can say you why. I always block the buyers when they
> >> return the goods. You know there is an old tubes and sometimes we have no
> >> way to check how buyers use them. Sometimes they broke the tubes by
> >> misusing
> >> them and then return the tubes back. Here no way to change them so we
> >> lost
> >> the money. To buy the tubes somewhere else.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> With best regards, Serge UT5JCW " end quote.
> >>
> >> i am not sure what to think of this. and hate to see another builder get
> >> burned. but just be warned about buying from Serge UT5JCW
> >>
> >
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