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Re: [Amps] SWR and amplifiers

To: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amps] SWR and amplifiers
From: Thomas Walsh <w2co@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 06:48:42 -0600
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And some of the reflected power ends up as
"waste heat" in the final and tank circuit.


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> On May 24, 2017, at 23:15, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Everything Ron said is correct-- except that when an amplifier is generating 
> 1000 watts and feeding an antenna through a line with an SWR that results in 
> 100 watts reflected power, the usual SWR/power meter will show 1100 watts 
> forward and 100 reflected. A meter like the Alpha 45xx has the option of 
> computing "delivered power", which is forward-reflected.
> 
> In the situation described by Bill, the actual power generated is 900 watts, 
> and the antenna will radiate 900 watts less the losses incurred. The multiple 
> reflections of a portion of that power are what cause the additional losses 
> due to SWR.
> 
> Don't believe this? You can test it. Transmit a given power into a 50 ohm 
> load and note the reading. Say forward power is 10 watts and reflected is 0. 
> Then change the load impedance so there is an SWR greater than 1:1. You will 
> note that forward and reflected readings will both increase about the same 
> amount.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 25 May 2017, at 2:46, Ron Youvan <ka4inm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> Bill W6WRTTurner wrote:
>> 
>>> There is something I don't completely understand about the effect of
>>> SWR on an amplifier. Perhaps someone here can clear it up?
>> 
>>> Let's say my SWR meter indicates 1000 watts forward and 100 watts
>>> reflected.
>> 
>>> 1. Does this mean the actual radiated power from the antenna is 900
>>> watts?
>> 
>>> 2. How much power is the amp actually putting out - 1000 watts or just
>>> 900?
>> 
>>> 2. If the answer to #2 is only 900, why does the SWR meter indicate
>>> 1000? Is that a false reading caused by the actual 900 added to the
>>> 100 reflected? If so, why does reflected and actual power add to
>>> produce a false reading?
>> 
>>> After 60 years in ham radio I suppose I should know this stuff, buy I
>>> must have been absent that day.  :-)
>> 
>>> All comments appreciated.
>> 
>> Do not worry about the confusion, it is all too common among HAMs even
>> highly seasoned ones, to get this wrong.
>> You will soon here the opposite of the following here, but they are
>> wrong.
>> 
>> The amplifier outputs 1,000 Watts.

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