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Re: [Amps] SWR and amplifiers

To: Bill Turner <dezrat@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Amps group <amps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amps] SWR and amplifiers
From: Jim Garland <4cx250b@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:05:02 -0600
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Bill,

I believe the answer in your example is that the amplifier is only putting out 900 watts, all of which is being delivered to the antenna (neglecting losses in the transmission line). One way to understand this is to compute the INPUT power of the amplifier, which is, as is usual, the DC plate current times the plate voltage. Then subtract the 900 watts that is delivered to the antenna. Since energy is always conserved, the difference has to go somewhere, and if we neglect losses in the transmission line (a reasonable assumption, especially if we assume open-wire line) then the only thing remaining is the amplifier itself. It may be helpful also to consider the limiting case of nothing connected to the amplifier output. Then the power output is zero, the SWR is infinite, and all the amplifier power is dissipated in the amplifier itself. Similarly, if we short circuit the amplifier output connector, so that the amplifier sees zero impedance, the SWR is also infinite and the same result holds.

A related issue is when you have a antenna tuner on the output of an amplifier, with a high SWR on the transmission line, which the tuner matches to the 50 ohm output of the amplifier. Then the amplifier is seeing a 1:1 SWR, which means that it is delivering its normal output power to the tuner+transmission line+antenna. Where that power divides up among the three pieces depends on the details of the setup, but often much of it is lost in the tuner itself.

73,

Jim W8ZR

73,

Jim


On 5/24/2017 5:12 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
There is something I don't completely understand about the effect of
SWR on an amplifier. Perhaps someone here can clear it up?

Let's say my SWR meter indicates 1000 watts forward and 100 watts
reflected.

1. Does this mean the actual radiated power from the antenna is 900
watts?

2. How much power is the amp actually putting out - 1000 watts or just
900?

2. If the answer to #2 is only 900, why does the SWR meter indicate
1000? Is that a false reading caused by the actual 900 added to the
100 reflected? If so, why does reflected and actual power add to
produce a false reading?

After 60 years in ham radio I suppose I should know this stuff, buy I
must have been absent that day.  :-)

All comments appreciated.

73, Bill W6WRT
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