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Re: [Amps] EIMAC vs Amperex 3-500

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Subject: Re: [Amps] EIMAC vs Amperex 3-500
From: gudguyham--- via Amps <>
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 17:52:39 +0000 (UTC)
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I’m sure that depends on the health of the tubes.

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On Saturday, October 22, 2022, 11:06 AM, 
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{border:0px;}#yiv7255510015 -->200mA is the total for two tubes, that's in the 
amp tune condition, single tone key down.My question is more about why the 
Amperex and Eimacs draw such different grid current under identical operating 
conditions, rather than concern over the maximum ratings.

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"" <>; Amps@contesting.comDate 
10/22/2022 2:36:27 AMSubject Re: [Amps] EIMAC vs Amperex 3-500

When you talk 200ma is that for one tube or two?  What mode are you figuring 
on?  Using SSB (ICAS) peak grid current of 200ma per tube and 400ma for two is 
no big deal.  The CCS rating on a 3-500 is about 125-150ma per tube.  That is 
key down 24/7.  Therefore with an ICAS rating a peak of 200ma per tube is 
nothing.  Unlike indirectly heated cathodes peak grid current over time isn’t 
harmful.  Henry ran 3-500 tubes at high output by raising the plate voltage up 
to 3800-4000 in their amps.  Raising the plate voltage lowers grid current.  
The only thing that usually  destroys tubes like 811a/572b/3-500 which many 
amateur amps have is over dissipation over time, not necessarily high peak grid 
current.  A set of good 811a tubes used in SSB can tolerate around 1100 pep 
output without compression.  That kind of power would be relegated to DX type 
operation only!  
Four 572b tubes can easily take 1 amp of plate current and 200mills of grid 
current.  In a mono band high efficiency tank circuit that will give you 
1600plus pep output.  That of course will be an ICAS rating.  Used in DXing 
type SSB they don’t even show color at beyond 1600w pep.  
Dissipation over time kills these tubes not grid current when the amp is 
properly operated.  Too many people agonize over grid current. If you are 
running RTTY or FT8 in a contest type mode then you’ll probably want to watch 
the grid current more closely, but most likely not overheating the tube would 
be more of a problem.

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On Friday, October 21, 2022, 9:30 PM, 
<> wrote:

Spec sheets for these tubes appear identical. Yet they behave 
differently in my dual 3-500 amp. I can drive the Amperex at 90w for 
near-legal limit out (power gain of about 16x) without exceeding 200mA 
grid current; Plate current is just about 800mA for the pair. With the 
Eimacs, I can't exceed 75W drive without exceeding 200mA grid current 
(running about 720mA plate), and they do give the same 16x power 
amplification at that drive. At 90W drive, the Eimacs exceed the 
recommended grid current limit. Wondering if the amp brain trust can 
enlighten me on the difference and cause.

73, John / AI6LY
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