Well, the reflector is overwhelmingly US-based, but from here in Western
Europe I must agree with Mario S56A about the special attraction of the ARRL
contests. I cut my teeth in contesting in the seventies from the G3OUR
university station. We mounted a tribander on the flag pole above the lift
housing of the engineering building, and it was impossible to rotate the
beam. Therefore the ARRL was the obvious contest to enter. The first year
we fed the beam with TV coax and ran an FT400 barefoot, and the pileups
(on all four weekends) were huge. Like many others I protested to K1KI
when the ARRL turned the contest into a world-works-the-world event, and
they wisely changed it back the following year. I get worried by complaints
on the reflector about lack of activity which suggest the solution
might be to change to a WW format. Surely the poor conditions are the main
reason for low activity this year.
I cannot agree with Mario about WAE. In my view DARC made a big mistake
when they allowed packet users to count as single ops. As a single op.
I'm not allowed to have a helper in the shack using a second receiver
to find mults for me, so how can it be right that the entire packet network
can be used to find spots and the entry still count as single op? DARC should
have established separate categories for with- and without-cluster operation,
and there are a lot of us here in Europe who won't enter the contest until
they do so.
I don't think there would be much support for a 1600utc start for CQ 160: that
equates to 0800 local time on *Friday* in California! It ought to be a 48 hour
contest, and the obvious choice seems to be 00utc Saturday to 23.59utc Sunday.
What do others think?
Dave G4BUO
wbs@cix.compulink.co.uk
>From MSgt Bob Smith/SCSMH <smithb@GF-WAN.af.mil> Thu Feb 24 03:27:34 1994
From: MSgt Bob Smith/SCSMH <smithb@GF-WAN.af.mil> (MSgt Bob Smith/SCSMH)
Subject: Black Hole Location and Boundary
Message-ID: <9402240327.AA27820@GF-WAN.af.mil>
Bill - WB0O lives in the center of the Black Hole. He is 30
to 40 miles north of Rugby, North Dakota which is where the
geographical center of the North American continent is. From
this location, it is equidistant to all borders/coasts.
Outward from there, we all suffer to varying degrees, the northern
0's, VE4/5.
I battle the east coast to Europe, the west coast to the Pacific
area, Texas for South America, the Carribean seems to be not much
problem. This all on 100W to 40' tribander on a city lot.
I've got five years left in the military before retirement. Then
it's back to Maine, no more portabull operation. Just gotta find
a decent job, location is not a problem.
73 de Bob Grand Forks ND1H
>From Lawrence A. Lake" <llake1@services.dese.state.mo.us Thu Feb 24 03:48:02
>1994
From: Lawrence A. Lake" <llake1@services.dese.state.mo.us (Lawrence A. Lake)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9402232102.B18854-a100000@services>
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>From H. Ward Silver" <hwardsil@seattleu.edu Thu Feb 24 05:30:02 1994
From: H. Ward Silver" <hwardsil@seattleu.edu (H. Ward Silver)
Subject: CQ WW v ARRL etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9402232151.C3105-a100000@bach>
Let's let the ARRL contest be itself and the WW contest be itself. I'd
vote for ditching the totally spurious RS(T), though. If we really need a
"sync pulse", I vote for "Uhhhhh" on phone and "dididididididit" on CW :-)
Substitute a serial number or power.
On starting time, I think the JA's need the most relief. However, putting
a 48-hour contest on a 24-hour planet is going to leave somebody out in
the cold! The 36-hour format for WPX could be used, but I like the
48-hour jobs pretty well. At least it's not two weeks like the old DX
tests used to be.
73, Ward N0AX
hwardsil@seattleu.edu
>From Skelton, Tom" <TSkelton@engineer.clemsonsc.NCR.COM Wed Feb 23 17:12:00
>1994
From: Skelton, Tom" <TSkelton@engineer.clemsonsc.NCR.COM (Skelton, Tom)
Subject: FW: MASTER.DTA (was, now baby makes 3)
Message-ID: <2D6B98A9@admin.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>
----------
From: km9p
<deleted>
73
Bill, KM9P
Oh... ARRL CW: Murphy hits again... Best rates I've ever had on Saturday
morning & Friday night... 1:30PM Saturday the running radio dies.... 5 mins
later my 8.5mos pregneant wife calls complaining of stomach pain... Decided
the contest wasn't all that important in the great scheme of things... Oh...
XYL had a stomach flu... Baby still QRX.
Oh NO! I didn't know Bill's wife was pregnant! Say goodbye to Bill for a
few years (speaking from experience)....73, Tom WB4iUX
>From AGDM25A@prodigy.com (MR KEVEN J DROST) Thu Feb 24 07:21:45 1994
From: AGDM25A@prodigy.com (MR KEVEN J DROST) (MR KEVEN J DROST)
Subject: ARRLDX PARTICIPATION
Message-ID: <013.00379246.AGDM25A@prodigy.com>
The DX station participation in last "weakend's" ARRL DXCW was certainly
disappointing! It wasn't just the poor condx ... often band seemed open,
but little activity. Agree with WA8YVR message that perhaps ARRL needs to
somehow promote the test to the DX stations. Are notices printed in the DX
magazines such as JARL, RSBG, and DARC? New ops might not nessecarily know
that the test is the 3rd "weakend" in February...
Of course CQWW activity will be greater because its everyone working
everyone. And we should acknowledge that not every DX station will want
to participate in what might arguably be called "THE USA QSO PARTY"
Some kind of participation award might be the answer. Look at what the 100
QSO PIN program did for the ARRL SS! A non-contest freind was showing off
his SS PIN at last months local hamfest - and bragging about how he was
gonna get one every year. I bet the PINS program would be a big hit with
the DX community.
Cetrainly we don't wanna lose the world works the USA format. There are
already plenty of everyone works everyone activities. And it sure is nice
to know that in the ARRL DX PHONE, all those DX stns in the 40mtr DX phone
band will "listen up" (unless they're working a VE)... Now if you wanna
"tweak" with the rules - there's a suggestion - have the VE's observe the
USA band limits ... afterall we're on the "same side" aren't we?
The (10) minute rule is killing the multi-single category. It drops the
multisingle class to just a casual weekend activity where the ops don't get
"burned-out". The top single-op usually beats the top multi-single because
the single-op can QSY at will!
Look at last "weakend's" top single-op, K5ZD. Randy had more QSO's than
any multi-single. His score was good for #2 multi-single! and just missed
#1 multi-single (AD1C) by 4%!
As a multi-single group its kinda demoralizing to find yourself beaten
every year by a lone guy sitting at his radio.
Often someone will defend the 10 minute rule by saying that two -or- more
ops will be fresher and more alert than a "burned-out" single-op. Well,
last Sunday night on 3830, after the scores were compiled, someone asked
how many hours he put in. Randy replied...
"about 45 and -a- half ... except for about an hour and a
half, I just sat at the radio the whole weekend ..."
WOW! Randy how do you do it? Nevermind staying awake that long... how does
one get 45 hours of uninterrupted free-time? You mean in all that time you
didn't have to call your XYL (or siginificant other)?, Or answer a call
from work, or get paged on a beeper?
Obviously it is physically and socially possible for single ops to put-in
42-plus hours in a weekend, and when they do - they'll almost always beat a
multi-single group.
Of course a #1 score would be nice, but we what we really look forward to
in a DX TEST is working and chasing the "rare-ones". And here again the
10-minute rule gets in the way ... Saturday evening you notice a packett
spot for SU2MT on 80mtrs but YOU GOTTA WAIT 10 MINUTES CUZ YOU JUST QSY'd
to 40! When CT finally displays the "QSY OK" sign, he's gone!
... 73, Kevin - WA8ZDT
>From Doug Grant <0006008716@mcimail.com> Thu Feb 24 03:04:00 1994
From: Doug Grant <0006008716@mcimail.com> (Doug Grant)
Subject: ARRL DX CW at K1DG
Message-ID: <05940224030450/0006008716NA3EM@mcimail.com>
ARRL INTERNATIONAL DX CONTEST 1994
Call: K1DG Country: United States
Mode: CW Category: Multi Single
BAND QSO QSO PTS PTS/Q COUNTRIES
160 38 114 3.0 33
80 103 309 3.0 55
40 638 1914 3.0 99
20 657 1971 3.0 93
15 741 2223 3.0 91
10 54 162 3.0 35
--------------------------------------
Totals 2231 6693 3.0 406 = 2,717,358
All reports sent were 59(9), unless otherwise noted.
Operator List: K1DG (about 10 hrs), WZ1R (all the rest)
Equipment Description:
TS930S, Alpha 76A, mongrel 386, packet
Antennas:
160: dipole 100 ft, Inv L
80: Assortment of mostly ineffective wires
40: 40-2CD at 110 ft
20: 4/4 at 100/50 ft
15: 4/4 at 90/45 ft
10: 4/4/4/4 at 100/80/60/40 ft (3 of 4 fixed EU); 5 el fixed S at 40 ft
Comments:
We had almost exactly half the station hardware of KC1XX/AD1C, who was
supposed to be multi-2. We planned to go M/S to avoid a total embarrassment,
then they had an op cancel and we ended up going head-to-head. Somehow we
managed to get ahead of them at the end of 24 hours, but they pulled it out
Saturday
in the wee hours and never looked back. Had a ball, though.
I do not like the 10-minute rule very much. It stifles my natural instinct to
pass multipliers around, and the few times we were both in the shack, the
second
guy got pretty bored. The good part is that it gave me time to catch up on
things around
the house while Wiz ran 'em. There was only one of us in the shack for just
about the whole contest, so it really was more like a single-op where the
op changed once in a while.
BREAKDOWN QSO/mults K1DG Multi Single
HOUR 160 80 40 20 15 10 HR TOT CUM TOT
0 ..... ..... 100/33 ..... ..... ..... 100/33 100/33
1 . . 55/15 . . . 55/15 155/48
2 . 7/7 14/8 2/2 . . 23/17 178/65
3 4/4 14/14 5/3 11/10 . . 34/31 212/96
4 4/4 2/2 14/7 . . . 20/13 232/109
5 4/4 11/4 3/3 . . . 18/11 250/120
6 4/4 16/4 14/5 . . . 34/13 284/133
7 4/2 5/1 16/2 . . . 25/5 309/138
8 ..... 3/3 18/3 1/1 ..... ..... 22/7 331/145
9 . 3/1 15/3 . . . 18/4 349/149
10 . . 10/2 4/4 . . 14/6 363/155
11 . . . 66/25 . . 66/25 429/180
12 . . . 73/14 . . 73/14 502/194
13 . . . 1/0 112/34 . 113/34 615/228
14 . . . . 94/14 . 94/14 709/242
15 . . . . 122/13 . 122/13 831/255
16 ..... ..... ..... ..... 99/5 2/2 101/7 932/262
17 . . . . 30/0 28/22 58/22 990/284
18 . . . 124/7 5/0 . 129/7 1119/291
19 . . . 58/3 5/5 3/2 66/10 1185/301
20 . . . 46/3 4/2 . 50/5 1235/306
21 . . 27/0 19/6 8/3 . 54/9 1289/315
22 . . 74/2 8/4 . . 82/6 1371/321
23 . . 48/3 5/1 . . 53/4 1424/325
0 ..... ..... 22/1 5/2 ..... ..... 27/3 1451/328
1 . 5/3 31/0 . . . 36/3 1487/331
2 3/3 17/8 1/0 . . . 21/11 1508/342
3 5/4 5/1 1/1 . . . 11/6 1519/348
4 3/3 3/1 . 10/0 . . 16/4 1535/352
5 6/5 2/0 13/1 . . . 21/6 1556/358
6 . . 28/2 . . . 28/2 1584/360
7 . 1/1 38/1 . . . 39/2 1623/362
8 ..... ..... 13/0 ..... ..... ..... 13/0 1636/362
9 . . 6/2 1/0 . . 7/2 1643/364
10 . 1/1 3/0 . . . 4/1 1647/365
11 1/0 2/1 1/1 22/1 . . 26/3 1673/368
12 . . . 43/1 . . 43/1 1716/369
13 . . . 34/0 24/1 . 58/1 1774/370
14 . . . . 60/2 . 60/2 1834/372
15 . . . . 21/0 6/3 27/3 1861/375
16 ..... ..... ..... ..... 77/5 ..... 77/5 1938/380
17 . . . 6/0 40/1 5/1 51/2 1989/382
18 . . . 57/3 . 4/0 61/3 2050/385
19 . . . 43/3 . . 43/3 2093/388
20 . . 3/0 11/1 6/1 3/3 23/5 2116/393
21 . . 46/1 . . 3/2 49/3 2165/396
22 . 3/2 15/0 5/1 18/3 . 41/6 2206/402
23 . 3/1 4/0 2/1 16/2 . 25/4 2231/406
DAY1 20/18 61/36 413/89 418/80 479/76 33/26 ..... 1424/325
DAY2 18/15 42/19 225/10 239/13 262/15 21/9 . 807/81
TOT 38/33 103/55 638/99 657/93 741/91 54/35 . 2231/406
>From Doug Brandon <dab@kaiwan.com> Thu Feb 24 07:50:20 1994
From: Doug Brandon <dab@kaiwan.com> (Doug Brandon)
Subject: XE2EBE Score
Message-ID: <199402240750.XAA25877@kaiwan.kaiwan.com>
ARRL INTERNATIONAL DX CONTEST 1994
Call: XE2EBE Country: Mexico
Mode: CW Category: Multi Single
BAND QSO QSO PTS STATES/PROV
160 149 447 43
80 419 1257 54
40 651 1953 57
20 707 2121 56
15 857 2571 56
10 655 1965 53
-----------------------------------
Totals 3438 10314 319 = 3,290,166
All reports sent were 59(9), unless otherwise noted.
Operator List: NF6H, AA6DP, N6PE
Equipment Description: TS940S, 4 ele tribander, 40/80 inverted vee,
160m full size dipole
Club Affiliation: (None)
----------
Conditions seemed so-so. 40/80/160 seemed dead at first, but bands finally
opened up a few hours after sunset. Low band conditions werent anything
like they were a few weeks before during the sprints. Hopefully things
will be a little better next weekend for SSB.
73 de Doug
/*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/
Doug Brandon [NF6H] Placentia, California dab@kaiwan.com
>From Fred Cady ieefc@msu.oscs.montana.edu" <fred_c@ece.ee.montana.edu Thu Feb
>24 12:31:24 1994
From: Fred Cady ieefc@msu.oscs.montana.edu" <fred_c@ece.ee.montana.edu (Fred
Cady ieefc@msu.oscs.montana.edu)
Subject: K0PP M/S ARRL CW Contest
Message-ID: <0097A86F.9F4451C0.15854@ece.ee.montana.edu>
ARRL INTERNATIONAL DX CONTEST 1994
Call: K0PP/7 Country: United States
Mode: CW Category: Multi Single
BAND QSO QSO PTS PTS/Q COUNTRIES
160 7 21 3.0 5
80 55 162 2.9 23
40 287 855 3.0 52
20 232 693 3.0 71
15 179 531 3.0 45
10 64 192 3.0 28
--------------------------------------
Totals 824 2454 3.0 224 = 549,696
Operator List: K0PP, KE7X, AA7DG, AA7PD______________________
Equipment Description:
FT-1000 + Titan, TS-940 + Homebrew 4-400, KT-34XA @ 75', TA-33 @ 75',
40-CD2 @ 100', 80'-80/160 vertical, 80 m Zepp @ 75'
>From Walton L. Stinson" <wstinson@csn.org Thu Feb 24 14:29:15 1994
From: Walton L. Stinson" <wstinson@csn.org (Walton L. Stinson)
Subject: 10 minute rule
Message-ID: <Pine.3.05.9402240713.A13511-b100000@teal.csn.org>
On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Scott A Stembaugh wrote:
> In message <9402221947.AA02355@hp.com> wa2srq writes:
> >ad1c wrote:
> >
> >> 5. Isn't it time we did away with the 10 minute rule? Or made ARRL
> >> M/S work the same way as CQ>
> I feel that both perspectivees are correct. The 'Single' needs to
> remain single transmitter, but it would be nice to be able to jump
> to another band that maybe just opening up to grab a couple of mults
> and then go back to where you just were and continue on. Even in CQWW
> as a multi-single with one transmitter I would kick off the amp and
> jump to 10 or 15 to get a mult and then go back to the original band.
> It doesn't mena you HAVE to have a run and mult station to be
> frequency agile. Of course we aren't competitive, yet!!
>
> --scott N9LJX
> >
>From what I can tell, the only reason for the 10 minute rule in the
ARRL is to have an ENFORCEABLE way to prevent competitors from
entering M/S with a multi-multi, transmitting just one signal
at a time. I never knew anyone who did this, but years ago
people would rig up lock out octopuss devices to prevent
multiple signals on the bands and enter big stations in
multi-single. We could change the rules to state that
"Multi-single stations may only use one transmitter at a
time. Once a trasmitter has transmitted a signal, no
other transmitter may be used for at least ten minutes.
But this would not be ENFORCEABLE. It would be more fun,
though. 73, Walt, W0CP - Rocky Mtn Div CAC
>From DKMC" <dkmc@chevron.com Thu Feb 24 16:00:07 1994
From: DKMC" <dkmc@chevron.com (DKMC)
Subject: ten minute rule
Message-ID: <CPLAN065.DKMC.0774.1994 0224 0759 0759>
Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note
From: McCarty, DK 'David'
To: OPEN ADDRESSING SERVI-OPENADDR
Subject: ten minute rule
Priority:
Message ID: A3A4039D
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Kevin (good name) WA8ZDT writes:
>The (10) minute rule is killing the multi-single category. It drops the
>multisingle class to just a casual weekend activity where the ops don't get
>"burned-out". The top single-op usually beats the top multi-single because
>the single-op can QSY at will!
I don't believe that the top single-op *usually* beats the top m/s. I don't
have my QST library or my CQ Almanac here to look it up. If it has been
happening often, I doubt it is because he can QSY at will. I think it is
more likely that he either out-stations or out-operates the m/s.
>Look at last "weakend's" top single-op, K5ZD. Randy had more QSO's than
>any multi-single. His score was good for #2 multi-single! and just missed
>#1 multi-single (AD1C) by 4%!
>As a multi-single group its kinda demoralizing to find yourself beaten
>every year by a lone guy sitting at his radio.
Face it. You got beaten by one of the best there is.
>Often someone will defend the 10 minute rule by saying that two -or- more
>ops will be fresher and more alert than a "burned-out" single-op.
Wrong. The ten minute rule is there to prevent claiming m/s but really
operating m/m.
>Well, last Sunday night on 3830, after the scores were compiled, someone
asked
>how many hours he put in. Randy replied...
>> "about 45 and -a- half ... except for about an hour and a
>> half, I just sat at the radio the whole weekend ..."
>WOW! Randy how do you do it? Nevermind staying awake that long... how does
>one get 45 hours of uninterrupted free-time? You mean in all that time you
>didn't have to call your XYL (or siginificant other)?, Or answer a call
>from work, or get paged on a beeper?
Not simple. But not impossible. You have to spend a lot of precious free
time getting all those possible interruptions worked out beforehand, just
like you gotta spend the time to get rid of the problem that causes your
computer to crash or any other contest interruption. Plus, you have to get
the support of your significant other and that takes some unselfish use of
free time.
>Obviously it is physically and socially possible for single ops to put-in
>42-plus hours in a weekend
Again not impossible.
>and when they do - they'll almost always beat a
>multi-single group.
Sure, they will beat some m/s groups. I don't think they'll beat the best
of them.
>Of course a #1 score would be nice, but we what we really look forward to
>in a DX TEST is working and chasing the "rare-ones". And here again the
>10-minute rule gets in the way ... Saturday evening you notice a packett
>spot for SU2MT on 80mtrs but YOU GOTTA WAIT 10 MINUTES CUZ YOU JUST >QSY'd
>to 40! When CT finally displays the "QSY OK" sign, he's gone!
Randy beat you without packet.
If you want to chase rare-ones, why should rules restrict you? Go
unlimited, and enjoy the DX. You've got to decide whether it's DXing or
Contesting that you want to do. Either one is a great motivation to get on
the air in a DX Test.
73,
Dave
David K. McCarty, K5GN
dkmc@chevron.com
>From Steven.M.London@att.com (Steven M London +1 303 538 4763) Thu Feb 24
>16:31:00 1994
From: Steven.M.London@att.com (Steven M London +1 303 538 4763) (Steven M
London +1 303 538 4763)
Subject: Log what was sent !
Message-ID: <9402241629.AA09840@bighorn.dr.att.com>
W2UP says ...
I always report what the DX station sends me - meaning KW is logged
as KW. However, NN and ATT should be properly transposed into 99
and 100, respectively, since that is what they are accepted CW
abbreviations for.
As K1KI told me years ago, when he was still working at the ARRL, "Just log
what was sent".
As an experiment, for last years' ARRL DX CW, I logged exactly what was sent,
rather than converting, or guessing what was meant. I lost no points for
doing this (although I did lose points for other busted exchanges).
Steve, N2IC
>From Jim Reisert AD1C 24-Feb-1994 1141 <reisert@wrksys.enet.dec.com> Thu Feb
>24 16:37:50 1994
From: Jim Reisert AD1C 24-Feb-1994 1141 <reisert@wrksys.enet.dec.com> (Jim
Reisert AD1C 24-Feb-1994 1141)
Subject: CT files now available via EMAIL
Message-ID: <9402241637.AA15112@us1rmc.bb.dec.com>
I have set up a file server for CT-related files. To access the files, send
a message to "MajorDomo@mlo.dec.com" with one of the following commands in
the *BODY* of the mail message:
index ct-user
* Gets a list of the available files. Files whose
names are in the form "ct-user.94xx" are archives
of messages sent to the ct-user mailing list.
get ct-user file.name
* Sends the file that has the given name. For example:
get ct-user arrl.cty
would send the latest ARRL.CTY file.
Here is a list of the currently available files:
>>>> index ct-user
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 1815 Dec 11 1991 ar10.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 2159 Apr 24 1991 ar160.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 1699 Mar 25 1992 ardxdx.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 20707 Feb 10 14:31 arrl.cty
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 1686 Jan 27 1992 cq160.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 3114 Mar 29 1992 cqp.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 24427 Feb 10 14:31 cqww.cty
-rw-rw-rw- 1 daemon majordomo 85593 Feb 24 11:19 ct-user.9402
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 19486 Feb 10 14:33 ctyhdg.pre
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 2362 Sep 26 1992 dvp.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 2181 Apr 18 1991 fd.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 8079 Feb 9 10:37 history.cty
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 22659 Feb 10 14:31 iaru.cty
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 2571 Feb 10 14:38 readme.cty
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 15328 Feb 24 11:25 release8.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 majordomomajordomo 2155 Apr 18 1991 sec.dat
I'm hoping that this file area will replace the need to put files in an area
for anonymous FTP (since I have no control over that resource).
If there are other files you'd like to see here, please let me know!
73 - Jim AD1C
>From Gardin Petter, SEME" <pega@telub.se Fri Feb 25 18:22:00 1994
From: Gardin Petter, SEME" <pega@telub.se (Gardin Petter, SEME)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <2D6CE219@noak.vxo.telub.se>
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