On 28 Oct 96, AA8U <aa8u@voyager.net> wrote:
> Every decent "big gun" that truely merits the title would just politely and
> quickly work you and move on. Those that are so RUDE are not really "big
> guns", they only THINK they are! Big difference........there is a lot more
> to being a "big gun" than rate/score.
>
I believe most "big guns" truly are gentleman. Many are on this
reflector, and frequently comment and help with their experience and
knowledge. The problem, as I see it, is that the "little pistol"
operators at the big gun's station develop "Napoleon syndrome." He
feels very powerful now that he can step on people with his 48 hour
big signal and anonymity to his true identity.
--
Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: w2up@voicenet.com
Newtown, PA FRC alternate: barry@w2up.wells.com
>From seay@Alaska.NET (Del Seay) Mon Oct 28 20:33:35 1996
From: seay@Alaska.NET (Del Seay) (Del Seay)
Subject: 40M Flagrant Violatons
References: <199610281936.AA07046@ns-1.csn.net>
Message-ID: <3275189F.4BFC@alaska.net>
Tell us who it is. He should be disqualified, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Too much of the "I don't have to conform" attitude in the U.S. now.
It ranks right there with spitting in the umpires face.
de KL7HF
John Brosnahan wrote:
>
> I have a moral/ethical question about operating on 40M phone. I don't approve
> of transmitting outside the US band, not even for the common "listen up"
> transmissions that I often hear, so we don't do it. And we pride ourselves on
> trying to do a contest without ever making a mistake on the wrong VFO
> (although I
> know it can happen by accident).
>
> But what I kept hearing from a prominent 40M competitor is extended,
> unidentified,
> simplex transmissions below 7100 asking for DX stations to find him mults,
> explaining
> how to do split in contests, etc. These were 2-way qsos lasting a number of
> minutes
> on many occasions. The unnamed competitor would then give a US frequency
> and continue his conversations with the DX and properly ID. It was all very
> clear
> and blatant.
>
> The operator at my station confronted the party on the air (in the US band)
> and
> the issues raised did not seem to concern the out-of-band operator. Other
> stations in the area also heard the many out-of-band operations on numerous
> occasions
> and have commented to me privately on it.
>
> What does one do in such a case? It seems like it violates the
> certification that
> one has operated within the rules of his license that is suppossed to be
> sent with an
> entry. We did not tape record the numerous incidents since my operator was
> out to
> compete (fairly) in a contest and not to spend his time documenting others
> who were
> not interested in competing fairly.
>
> Thoughts and observations would be appreciated.
>
> 73 John W0UN
>From floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) Mon Oct 28 20:12:13 1996
From: floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Subject: CQWW SSB 96 Score Breakdown I
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961028201213.2d8f5a10@interpath.com>
CQWW SSB 96
SCORE BREAKDOWN
Compiled by
WA4ZXA
Date Posted: 10/28/96
CALL Q'S/Z'S/DX SCORE
160 80 40 20 15 10
_______________________________________________________________________
Single/OP/HP
YB1AQS 2433/119/343 3,247,398
1/ 1/ 1 8/ 8/ 8 46/20/ 31 435/33/ 96 1224/31/112 719/26/ 95
OH1EH 2249/116/419 2,065,100
95/ 6/ 36 223/14/ 56 414/26/ 92 994/33/107 455/27/100 68/10/ 28
9K2HN 1951/ 77/239 1,728,520
0/ 0/ 0 0/ 0/ 0 1/ 1/ 1 563/23/ 75 1216/33/105 171/20/ 58
OI6KZP 676/ 66/239 337,940
2/ 1/ 1 185/ 8/ 42 48/ 5/ 24 231/19/ 73 193/26/ 84 17/ 7/ 14
KM9P 2110/137/461 3,610,724
44/12/ 29 184/23/ 71 155/25/ 73 1017/34/138 563/29/116 147/14/ 34
N2IC/0 1703/130/357 2,304,484
34/12/ 21 139/22/ 47 303/29/ 74 1023/35/120 182/25/ 82 22/ 7/ 13
W6XR 1302/137/347 1,647,555
28/ 7/ 20 65/13/ 36 126/22/ 64 420/30/105 589/25/101 73/11/ 21
N9ITX/7 416/ 72/167 270,787
20/ 9/ 13 28/10/ 18 57/17/ 36 59/25/ 71 52/11/ 29 0/ 0/ 0
N5CT 110/ 54/ 97 43,639
0/ 0/ 0 0/ 0/ 0 21/16/ 19 59/23/ 54 30/15/ 24 0/ 0/ 0
Single/OP/LP
WA4ZXA 1105/111/364 1,447,800
33/ 9/ 23 61/12/ 39 120/20/ 62 390/33/106 415/27/105 86/10/ 29
WA7BNM 810/ 98/202 672,600
2/ 2/ 2 36/14/ 18 85/22/ 39 299/32/ 84 382/25/ 56 6/ 3/ 3
Single/OP/Assisted
AA3JU 1108/105/370 1,415,025
16/ 4/ 10 98/16/ 53 90/18/ 59 333/29/105 444/25/105 127/13/ 38
AA3B 989/101/372 1,313,521
19/ 6/ 15 79/12/ 49 137/30/ 71 316/26/103 334/24/ 98 104/13/ 36
N9VHW 693/108/337 841,940
18/ 9/ 12 52/13/ 38 88/19/ 53 270/33/110 213/23/ 94 52/11/ 30
N1CC/2 553/ 78/220 460,410
4/ 2/ 2 22/ 7/ 16 26/11/ 23 340/28/ 93 138/25/ 78 23/ 5/ 8
KR4UJ 405/ 80/210 319,580
4/ 4/ 4 44/12/ 32 11/ 4/ 9 171/26/ 74 130/23/ 69 45/11/ 23
KM0L 444/ 76/193 314,461
2/ 2/ 2 31/ 9/ 16 67/21/ 36 224/25/ 78 116/17/ 57 4/ 2/ 4
Multi/Single
3DA0DX 3716/102/318 4,605,720
1/ 1/ 1 13/ 4/ 6 212/18/ 36 841/31/ 92 2018/29/107 631/19/ 76
KF2ET 2900/143/547 5,755,290
31/10/ 29 284/22/ 84 370/30/ 99 1301/37/144 826/27/138 88/17/ 53
K8LX 1843/125/438 2,950,000
28/ 9/ 22 74/18/ 48 172/29/ 83 914/36/146 619/26/113 37/ 7/ 26
K1GW 1392/110/396 1,983,520
24/ 6/ 17 76/15/ 46 160/24/ 79 623/29/113 424/24/113 85/12/ 28
NC0P 1138/133/423 1,700,226
34/11/ 28 91/21/ 58 199/30/ 84 451/34/126 317/26/ 94 46/11/ 32
WA0PUJ 1225/121/336 1,363,688
50/10/ 17 86/18/ 45 124/29/ 76 790/37/119 164/21/ 72 9/ 6/ 7
VE6FI 1620/ 95/205 1,093,800
87/ 7/ 6 228/15/ 25 240/23/ 42 1001/29/ 89 63/20/ 42 1/ 1/ 1
Multi/Multi
W1FJ 3376/144/558 6,733,584
89/12/ 42 562/25/ 97 300/25/ 92 1349/39/146 910/28/137 166/15/ 44
KS9K 2811/144/515 4,817,949
80/10/ 11 211/24/ 65 299/33/ 93 1371/38/166 783/30/132 67/ 9/ 28
NQ4I 2901/145/493 4,451,284
150/11/ 32 123/22/ 61 213/29/ 85 1414/36/139 813/32/132 188/15/ 44
***********************************************************************
73's Jim
**********************************************************
* Jimmy R. Floyd (Jim) Thomasville, NC *
* *
* Amateur Call: >> WA4ZXA << *
* Packet Node: >> N4ZC << *
* Internet Address: >> floydjr@interpath.com << *
**********************************************************
>From km9p@contesting.com (Bill Fisher KM9P) Mon Oct 28 20:56:34 1996
From: km9p@contesting.com (Bill Fisher KM9P) (Bill Fisher KM9P)
Subject: 40M Flagrant Violatons
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961028155153.18884A-100000@paris.akorn.net>
I heard the same thing on 75M on many occasions. I couldn't believe some
of the callsigns I heard just working a guy transceive on 3743Khz. I
assumed it was a mental lapse... I guess after you hear the first guy do
it you assume your transceiver is wrong and go with the flow? I had to
wait to work the guy the next night when he was listening up. Oh well.
73
Bill, KM9P
>From nt5c@easy.com (John Warren) Tue Oct 29 02:06:35 1996
From: nt5c@easy.com (John Warren) (John Warren)
Subject: K3ZO report on CQWW/SSB
Message-ID: <1365607317-212174949@BANJO.EASY.COM>
Always enjoy Fred's wonderful narrative on a contest. Captures the fun and
excitement of it all.
Just a quick comment on some interesting 40M propagation from Texas. The
dawn long path to our southwest was better than I can ever previously
recall. Between 1225Z and 1425Z I heard and/or worked EM, EY, FR, RA4, RU6,
RN and ZS6, not to mention FT5W the day before the contest. Chris ZS6EZ was
S6 two hours after our sunrise and two before his sunset. Maybe nothing
much if you're on the left coast, but very interesting from Texas.
Unfortunately, I missed the one I really wanted: JT1FBT - was Mike on the
band?
John, NT5C.
>From nt5c@easy.com (John Warren) Tue Oct 29 02:06:31 1996
From: nt5c@easy.com (John Warren) (John Warren)
Subject: CQWW & 7 MHz - A Suggestion
Message-ID: <1365607321-212174696@BANJO.EASY.COM>
Steve GW4BLE wrote:
|The usual flow of views on what's right and wrong with respect to
|7 MHz SSB operation is likely to be generated once again.
|
|To clear up the present situation I would like to make the following
|proposal:
|
|FOR STATIONS IN EUROPE -
|
|You must *not* solicit contacts, i.e. call CQ, on SSB below 7040 KHz.
But this will ruin my private formula for estimating the low-band activity
level in ssb dx contests: Activity is inversely proportional to the spacing
of the lowest ssb station from 7000 KHz. This year it was a PY2 on 7010,
which means more activity than 1995, when the lowest was a certain W1 (no
kidding) operating transceive (NOT wrong vfo) on 7017. I suppose an
alternate interpretation is that American morals improved this year, DX
declined.
John, NT5C.
(Cymru am byth Steve!)
>From n6bfm@avana.net (Bob Furzer) Mon Oct 28 22:34:06 1996
From: n6bfm@avana.net (Bob Furzer) (Bob Furzer)
Subject: 40M Flagrant Violatons
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961028223406.006cf994@tiger.avana.net>
And I thought flagrancy, even between consenting adults, was illegal in the
State of Georgia.
It's bad enough having all the wannabe frequency police on the bands. Do we
have to have the whining here on the internet too?
73, DX was
Bob.
PS. Any OOs from Montana on this reflector? I still need an OO report from
Montana - The last State for my WASOO.
At 03:56 PM 10/28/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I heard the same thing on 75M on many occasions. I couldn't believe some
>of the callsigns I heard just working a guy transceive on 3743Khz. I
>assumed it was a mental lapse... I guess after you hear the first guy do
>it you assume your transceiver is wrong and go with the flow? I had to
>wait to work the guy the next night when he was listening up. Oh well.
>
>73
>
>Bill, KM9P
>
>
>
>
>
>From n6bfm@avana.net (Bob Furzer) Mon Oct 28 22:34:10 1996
From: n6bfm@avana.net (Bob Furzer) (Bob Furzer)
Subject: SO vs SOA
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961028223410.006cc884@tiger.avana.net>
Much has been written on the subject of assisted vs unassisted operations.
The benefits, the morality of correctly reporting the category, etc. etc.
Well, the CQWWSSB '96 is over, and the results are in. Clearly the way to
go is to operate 'assisted' and submit your entry as 'unassisted'. The DX
spotted on our local cluster proved invaluable to both the serious contested
as well as the casual participant. Both in the assisted and the unassisted
categories.
As an indication of the order of magnitude of advantage the local DX Cluster
provided, let me share with you the remarkable statistic that Mexico was
announced 42 times over the weekend. Now, how could we (even us
'unassisted' participants) have hoped to maintain any degree of
competitiveness without this invaluable source of information.
I know that there are those of you who will disagree, so let the record show
that the local DX Cluster did show some weakness. I personally heard West
Coast stations (in Zone 3) on the bands, but there wasn't one single West
Coast spot all weekend. But, to be fair, the West Coast of the US is 2000
miles away (considerably further than Mexico - even at its furthest South
point), and our prolific 'spotters' probably couldn't hear that far anyway.
73, DX was,
Bob.
PS. Now that the contest is over - I haven't seen Mexico (or even Italy)
announced all day. Is it appropriate to start using the ANNOUNCE/FULL
function again for it's intended purpose of announcing the daily content of
ones mailbox?
>From 102505.2241@CompuServe.COM (Rick Dougherty NQ4I) Mon Oct 28 22:43:38 1996
From: 102505.2241@CompuServe.COM (Rick Dougherty NQ4I) (Rick Dougherty NQ4I)
Subject: stateside qso's
Message-ID: <961028224338_102505.2241_HHM41-1@CompuServe.COM>
Hi all I don't contribute as much as I probably should...but the thread that is
starting up ahs caught my attention, and I feel that some reply is
necessary...first of all, there has been ample justification to the logging of
all calls ( ie he may need you for that zone mult) in our pre-contest briefing
with the ops here at NQ4I, we all agreed that we would make the time to log each
and every qso...not a real problem...now comes the "RUB" and that the
statesiders who not only worked us once, but they worked us on all six
bands...and that is where I draw the line...did it happen to you also?? de Rick
NQ4I
>From yv5dta@bridge.net (Esteban J. Morao) Mon Oct 28 23:03:50 1996
From: yv5dta@bridge.net (Esteban J. Morao) (Esteban J. Morao)
Subject: Back in the contest game...
Message-ID: <199610282306.SAA03921@bridge.net>
Hello Gang...
Well... after been away from contest action for the past couple of years
(Girls, college, work...etc etc), I was able to get couple of hours into
the wild action of the pileups of the cq ww...
Taking advantage that I needed to do some work to our cluster here...
Sunday morning I was able to work 4 hours of the test as so/assisted...
had fun...eaven though my score it is not record breacking... I was able to
work 41 countries, 17 zones.... the final score 7,366...
I really missed the rush of being on a major test...
73 de Steve
W4/YV5DTA
PS: I really need a short call... I will try to get an US call before my
next trip in 3 weeks...
Steve J. Morao BSMIS
Systems Analyst
Allders - Nuance International (USA)
e-mail: yv5dta@bridge.net
web: http://www.bridge.net/~yv5dta
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