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Re: [CQ-Contest] Unique perspectives

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Unique perspectives
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:38:42 -0000
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Who has said anything about changing rules for contests to remove
uniques????

This discussion started over the one-time special rescoring done for wrtc
participants because of suspected irregularities in some logs.  I have seen
nothing from any other contest sponsor that indicates that this practice may
spread to other contests (besides the few odd ones that have been doing this
all along).


David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:cq-contest-
> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mark Bailey
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 21:05
> To: CQ Contest
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Unique perspectives
> 
> 
> 
> Kenneth E. Harker wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 11:50:01AM -0700, Jack Brindle wrote:
> >  [...]
> > You seem to be confusing a log checking and scoring process with what
> > will actually happen on the air.  Let's say for argument's sake that
> > points from unique QSOs were removed from a log's score in the log
> > checking process, and all contestants know that this will happen.
> > Will this in any way change how they operate?  Will you not log a QSO
> > or tell someone to go away?  Since you cannot predict which QSOs
> > will or will not be uniques, it would have no effect whatsoever on
> > how people operate.  You will still want to work that local guy who
> > gets on and makes one QSO with you because you have no idea whether or
> > not they will also make other QSOs before the contest is over.
> >
> 
> Actually, this is likely to change the way I operate in rare cases.  I
> have
> been known to solicit Sweepstakes contacts from net control stations, for
> instance, when they pop up on my run frequency and tell me the net is
> starting soon.  I also take the time on Sunday to walk stations through
> the Sweepstakes exchange, even on CW, when I have no idea whether they
> will make another contact.  Often (usually?), I suspect they won't.
> 
> I am concerned that such a rule change will make contesters less likely
> to be friendly to the very casual stations. I would certainly not choose
> to not log it, unless there was a penalty, but I may also choose not to
> try to get a QSO (especially in Sweepstakes) and may pass up the
> opportunity to try to recruit a new contest operator.
> 
> I have also engaged in rather long rag chews with slow stations sometimes
> to get a multiplier in DX contests (from a multi-multi station where it
> was worth the time to do so).  I actually HOPE these stations will be
> uniques.
> 
> These are certainly "fringe" situations, but they do reflect things I do
> and have done during contests.
> 
> This discussion is making me less certain that not giving credit for
> uniques is a BAD idea, especially if some competitive logs have 10 percent
> uniques, but I think there may be unintended consequences. It is
> certainly a valuable and interesting discussion.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark, KD4D
> 
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