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Re: [CQ-Contest] TQP vs CQ RTTY

To: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TQP vs CQ RTTY
From: ku8e@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:03:37 +0000
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Hi Mike,

I have no problem with people doing RTTY contests if that's their cup of tea. I 
DO have a problem with these guys who get on the reflector and tell us "too 
bad" when a RTTY contest makes 40 meter CW unusable and effects some 
established contests that have been around for awhile. They then use the excuse
that their RTTY contest has been around longer and those contending contests 
should of never been scheduled on the same weekend as their contest in the 
first place. Some of the contests that contend with some RTTY contests like the 
CW Sprint, FQP and TQP have been around as long as I have been a ham . (since 
1976) This all was not really an issue 10 years ago since participation was low 
in RTTY contests before then.

I can't agree with you that RTTY contests are not really like other contests 
because it doesn't take any human skill other then to read callsigns off your 
computer screen to operate RTTY. On non digital modes like SSB and CW you are 
acually using your brain to process the information you are hearing. With RTTY 
the computer is taking the place of your brain. 

Jeff  KU8E

-------------- Original message from Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>: 

> Wow, 
> Someone would have to show me a correlation between no code licenses ruining 
> the hobby and "those" people causing the problem. I don't think no code 
> licensees have anything to do with the mess on 14.275 etc. Lets not blame 
> them for all the woes that have going on for years. 
> My son who is 12 just got his tech license. Guess what he likes? Stuff 
> hooked up to computers. He is working on his general and likes to see stuff 
> printed on the screen. He is the future of the hobby. He has expressed 
> zero interest in learning code. He thinks RTTY and PSK is pretty cool. He 
> likes designing web sites, computer games etc. 
> RTTY is a perfect fit for SO2R. When things are going good it is a lot of 
> fun. You do have to learn to time your calls in pileups. There is a skill 
> set that must be learned. You have the same issues working stations in 
> pileups on 160 or any band with RTTY as you do on ssb and cw. I bet there 
> will be a time very soon where code readers are deployed as standard 
> features in logging programs. 
> RTTY contesting is the same as other contests. Work as many 
> stations/mults/points etc. Why does the mode make a difference? 
> As for emergency operations. Check out PSK. You can transmit data with 
> very low output power. Programs have been developed making meteor scatter 
> contacts commonplace and making it much easier to work moon bounce with much 
> smaller stations. Most EOC centers are working in digital modes. The Gov't 
> is moving to digital systems and backbones for data and voice. This 
> requires computer and software knowledge. 
> In a real emergency how much cw is actually used? Not much..... 
> People could argue there are way too many contests period, regardless of 
> mode. I think it is a stretch to say that 40m RTTY ruined a contest. What 
> was stopping folks from moving down? Nothing. People are creatures of 
> habit. The rules say the suggested range is x....well is X is busy make it 
> happen somewhere else. We all have big knobs on radios I bet most folks 
> would tune around and find the contest activity if they were that into the 
> contest. 
> As a volunteer Fireman, I can assure you that my SSB contesting skills are 
> very beneficial when dealing with wild fires and other emergencies. We have 
> many agencies responding and an immense amount of traffic that needs to be 
> dealt with. Most of the other firefighters find this traffic maddening. I 
> find it very much like contesting. This is excellent training for Incident 
> commanders. Many Fire Departments are going digital with GPS units in their 
> engines, hand helds etc. Messages are being passed via messaging not voice. 
> No contest owns the frequency range for a weekend the frequencies are to be 
> used by all. In the US CW has free reign over the spectrum. SSB, SSTV, 
> RTTY do not. 
> The goal should be to work together to find a place for everyone to do their 
> thing and utilize the frequencies that we have been given so we don't lose 
> them. Hopefully, the TQP organizers will look into what can be done on 40m. 
> Maybe some sunspots will make this issue go away? 
> How about we all become a bit more tolerant of each other? What you like 
> may not be what I like but we both are Amateurs and I sure hope we can both 
> enjoy the hobby. 
> Mike W0MU 
> On 10/2/07 7:29 PM, "ku8e" wrote: 
> > W4TV wrote : 
> > 
> > These are major international RTTY contests and activity will spread 
> > as needed to find room and avoid other contest QRM. RTTY contest 
> > activity has probably increased by at least ten fold in the last 
> > ten years. What new blood there is in contesting is much more 
> > familiar with computers than CW and the trend will only continue 
> > to accelerate. 
> > 
> > 
> > I sure hope this trend reverses. It just shows how getting rid of the CW 
> > requirement and making it easier to get an amateur license has ruined our 
> > hobby. It's not surprising that modes like RTTY, that require minimal 
> > operating skills are growing. 
> > 
> > Maybe one of you diehard RTTY guys can explain to me what drives you to 
> > even 
> > want to operate a RTTY contest? I tried it once and I was bored out of my 
> > mind 
> > after about an hour. At least on CW or SSB you have to use your human 
> > sensory 
> > skills to copy a signal and pull out a callsign. Do you get that same 
> > "rush" 
> > and feeling of accomplishment with RTTY that you get after working that 
> > first 
> > ever EU station on 160 meter CW thru the static and a big pileup? On RTTY 
> > the 
> > computer does everything for you. I see no thrill from that. It almost 
> > sounds 
> > like doing a CW contest with a code reader. 
> > 
> > I agree with K8MR that there are too many RTTY contests that occur just 
> > about 
> > every weekend with the "everyone works everyone" format. Many of these RTTY 
> > contests ruin some established CW contests that have been around just as 
> > long. 
> > At least the State QSO parties are interesting - chasing mobiles around as 
> > they move from county to county is fun Let's just hope someone doesn't make 
> > it easier to get on SSTV (like they have for RTTY) and they start having 
> > SSTV 
> > contests !!! 
> > 
> > 
> > Ask youself this question... Why do we contest ? (besides to satisfy our 
> > egos) 
> > For years the official line has been to improve our operating skills so we 
> > are 
> > prepared during an emergency to provide communications when all else fails. 
> > I 
> > guess I just don't see where RTTY would fit in during a real emergency. 
> > 
> > 
> > Jeff KU8E 
> > 
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