As long as he just used one prefix, what difference would it make? I think
it would raise a few eyebrows in the WPX log checking room if two dozen
contacts were flagged with the same root call and variety of prefixes.
73 -- Paul VO1HE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Taylor [mailto:ve4xt@mts.net]
> Sent: February 5, 2008 19:30
> To: 'Don Cassel'; 'Robert Naumann'; vo1he@rac.ca; 'Joe
> Subich, W4TV'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
>
> That may also be correct, Don, however, the rules also
> specify operation in accordance with local laws and regulations.
>
> Since you pointed out the FCC regulation in question as
> requiring /w4 operation, it would seem clear that taken on
> the whole, a /nv4 designation would contravene not only FCC
> rules, but by extension, WPX rules as well.
>
> I think the rules for the WPX contest are intended to
> safeguard the integrity of the WPX award system as well. It
> prevents, I think, a VE from going to the border of, say,
> Minnesota and Wisconsin and working his buddy as VExXYZ/NQ0,
> .../NV0, .../K0, .../KT0 etc. until all the possible prefix
> combinations are worn thin, crossing the border and working
> him again as VExXYZ/NQ9, .../NV9, .../KT9, .../KQ9, etc. and
> then having the friend file application for a WPX award...
>
> 73,Kelly
> Ve4xt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Cassel
> Sent: February-05-08 8:48 AM
> To: 'Robert Naumann'; vo1he@rac.ca; 'Joe Subich, W4TV';
> cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
>
> That's correct but the rules also say...
>
> "The portable prefix must be an authorized prefix of the
> country/call area of operation. "
>
> So that would permit NV4 to be used as a prefix in W4 land.
> However, it appears the FCC overrides this rule, at least
> that is the answer I'm getting from LOTW staff.
>
> Interesting discussion and thanks for all of the replies.
>
> 73, Don VE3XD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Naumann [mailto:w5ov@w5ov.com]
> Sent: February-05-08 8:46 AM
> To: vo1he@rac.ca; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 'Don Cassel';
> cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
>
> When in doubt, check the rules.
>
> >From http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm:
>
> "In cases of portable operation, the portable designator will
> then become the prefix. <snip> You may not make up your own prefix".
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Piercey [mailto:p.piercey@nl.rogers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:15 AM
> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 'Don Cassel'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
>
> What is the reason for the inconsistency? As per 97.119(g)
> below, a foreign operator must sign W4/G3AAA but a Canadian
> must sign VO1HE/W4. I think all location modifiers should be
> before the callsign.
>
> I tend to agree with Joe. The US has an abundance of prefixes
> that are not designated "special" so you can probably choose
> any of them for the particular call area (not that call areas
> mean anything anymore). In Canada, we would need permission
> to use a different prefix, even as a modifier. For example,
> under US rules, you could sign VE3XD/VD1 (or perhaps
> VD1/VE3XD) if you were operating from VO.
>
> For your purposes, Don, I don't know what the benefit would
> be to use anything but W4 if you have to sign with a /W4
> modifier. In this case, wouldn't your prefix still be VE3?
> The W4 would be a location modifier but, as it doesn't come
> before your callsign, should it count as a prefix?
>
>
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich,
> > W4TV
> > Sent: February 4, 2008 23:27
> > To: 'Don Cassel'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> >
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > I don't believe the ARRL is correct in saying you must identify as
> > VE3XD/W4. As I read Part 97.119(g) you may use any legal
> > identification that indicates your location (e.g., /W4, /AA4, /NZ4,
> > etc.). However, the indicator must follow your call based on the
> > requirements in the treaty that created the reciprocity (TIAS No.
> > 2508).
> >
> > Here is Part 97.119(g):
> >
> > (g) When the station is transmitting under the authority of
> > ?97.107 of this part, an indicator consisting of the
> > appropriate letter-numeral designating the station
> > location must be included before the call sign that was
> > issued to the station by the country granting the license.
> > For an amateur service license granted by the Government
> > of Canada, however, the indicator must be included after
> > the call sign. At least once during each intercommunication,
> > the identification announcement must include the geographical
> > location as nearly as possible by city and state,
> commonwealth
> > or possession.
> >
> > Part 109
> >
> > You are giving your city/state in each QSO aren't you <G>?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> > > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Cassel
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:34 PM
> > > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's an interesting situation. I was planning on using the call
> > > NV4/VE3XD in the RTTY WPX (and maybe the CW and SSB also) here in
> > > Florida. In advance of the contest I applied to LOTW to
> > have the call
> > > added to my profile. The ARRL folks responded that the
> > rules required
> > > that I could only use VE3XD/W4 which I was able to confirm
> > on the FCC
> > > web site at
> > > http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=about_4&id=amateur.
> > >
> > > It seems likely that this rule goes back to when all calls
> > began with
> > > W or sometime soon after the beginning of time. But today
> it would
> > > seem that using NV4 or some other variation of A4, K4, N4
> that is a
> > > legal U.S. prefix would acceptable as it serves to identify the
> > > district that the operation is in. Apparently not as this
> > rule has not
> > > been updated to reflect currently available prefixes.
> > >
> > > A secondary issue was the use of the prefix/suffix.
> > > Apparently us Canadians
> > > must use a suffix (VE3XD/W4) but other reciprocal
> countries such as
> > > Europeans use a prefix like W4/G1ABC. Now I know that it
> > has been the
> > > practice for Canadian amateurs to use a suffix when in
> the U.S. and
> > > that is what I generally do. But in a prefix contest it
> makes more
> > > sense (to me at
> > > least) to use a prefix W4/VE3XD. As a practical matter I
> often find
> > > hams coming back to my call before I've given the /W4 and
> > then I need
> > > to repeat the full call to correct them. This never happens
> > when used
> > > as a prefix.
> > >
> > > I'd be interested in comments on this and what others have
> > > experienced.
> > >
> > > 73, Don VE3XD/W4
> > >
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