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Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX

To: "'Sandy Taylor'" <ve4xt@mts.net>,"'Don Cassel'" <ve3xd@rogers.com>,"'Robert Naumann'" <w5ov@w5ov.com>, <vo1he@rac.ca>,"'Joe Subich, W4TV'" <w4tv@subich.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
From: "Paul J. Piercey" <p.piercey@nl.rogers.com>
Reply-to: vo1he@rac.ca
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:21:28 -0000
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
As long as he just used one prefix, what difference would it make? I think
it would raise a few eyebrows in the WPX log checking room if two dozen
contacts were flagged with the same root call and variety of prefixes.


73 -- Paul VO1HE  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Taylor [mailto:ve4xt@mts.net] 
> Sent: February 5, 2008 19:30
> To: 'Don Cassel'; 'Robert Naumann'; vo1he@rac.ca; 'Joe 
> Subich, W4TV'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> 
> That may also be correct, Don, however, the rules also 
> specify operation in accordance with local laws and regulations.
> 
> Since you pointed out the FCC regulation in question as 
> requiring /w4 operation, it would seem clear that taken on 
> the whole, a /nv4 designation would contravene not only FCC 
> rules, but by extension, WPX rules as well.
> 
> I think the rules for the WPX contest are intended to 
> safeguard the integrity of the WPX award system as well. It 
> prevents, I think, a VE from going to the border of, say, 
> Minnesota and Wisconsin and working his buddy as VExXYZ/NQ0, 
> .../NV0, .../K0, .../KT0 etc. until all the possible prefix 
> combinations are worn thin, crossing the border and working 
> him again as VExXYZ/NQ9, .../NV9, .../KT9, .../KQ9, etc. and 
> then having the friend file application for a WPX award...
> 
> 73,Kelly
> Ve4xt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Cassel
> Sent: February-05-08 8:48 AM
> To: 'Robert Naumann'; vo1he@rac.ca; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 
> cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> 
> That's correct but the rules also say...
> 
> "The portable prefix must be an authorized prefix of the 
> country/call area of operation. "
> 
> So that would permit NV4 to be used as a prefix in W4 land. 
> However, it appears the FCC overrides this rule, at least 
> that is the answer I'm getting from LOTW staff.
> 
> Interesting discussion and thanks for all of the replies.
> 
> 73, Don VE3XD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Naumann [mailto:w5ov@w5ov.com]
> Sent: February-05-08 8:46 AM
> To: vo1he@rac.ca; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 'Don Cassel'; 
> cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> 
> When in doubt, check the rules.
> 
> >From http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm:
> 
> "In cases of portable operation, the portable designator will 
> then become the prefix. <snip> You may not make up your own prefix".
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bob W5OV
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Piercey [mailto:p.piercey@nl.rogers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:15 AM
> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; 'Don Cassel'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> 
> What is the reason for the inconsistency? As per 97.119(g) 
> below, a foreign operator must sign W4/G3AAA but a Canadian 
> must sign VO1HE/W4. I think all location modifiers should be 
> before the callsign.
> 
> I tend to agree with Joe. The US has an abundance of prefixes 
> that are not designated "special" so you can probably choose 
> any of them for the particular call area (not that call areas 
> mean anything anymore). In Canada, we would need permission 
> to use a different prefix, even as a modifier. For example, 
> under US rules, you could sign VE3XD/VD1 (or perhaps 
> VD1/VE3XD) if you were operating from VO.
> 
> For your purposes, Don, I don't know what the benefit would 
> be to use anything but W4 if you have to sign with a /W4 
> modifier. In this case, wouldn't your prefix still be VE3? 
> The W4 would be a location modifier but, as it doesn't come 
> before your callsign, should it count as a prefix?
> 
> 
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com 
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, 
> > W4TV
> > Sent: February 4, 2008 23:27
> > To: 'Don Cassel'; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> > 
> > 
> > Don,
> > 
> > I don't believe the ARRL is correct in saying you must identify as 
> > VE3XD/W4.  As I read Part 97.119(g) you may use any legal 
> > identification that indicates your location (e.g., /W4, /AA4, /NZ4, 
> > etc.).  However, the indicator must follow your call based on the 
> > requirements in the treaty that created the reciprocity (TIAS No.
> > 2508).
> > 
> > Here is Part 97.119(g): 
> > 
> >   (g) When the station is transmitting under the authority of 
> >       ?97.107 of this part, an indicator consisting of the 
> >       appropriate letter-numeral designating the station 
> >       location must be included before the call sign that was 
> >       issued to the station by the country granting the license. 
> >       For an amateur service license granted by the Government 
> >       of Canada, however, the indicator must be included after 
> >       the call sign. At least once during each intercommunication, 
> >       the identification announcement must include the geographical 
> >       location as nearly as possible by city and state, 
> commonwealth 
> >       or possession.
> > 
> > Part 109
> > 
> > You are giving your city/state in each QSO aren't you <G>? 
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com 
> > > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Cassel
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:34 PM
> > > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prefixes in WPX
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Here's an interesting situation. I was planning on using the call 
> > > NV4/VE3XD in the RTTY WPX (and maybe the CW and SSB also) here in 
> > > Florida. In advance of the contest I applied to LOTW to
> > have the call
> > > added to my profile. The ARRL folks responded that the
> > rules required
> > > that I could only use VE3XD/W4 which I was able to confirm
> > on the FCC
> > > web site at
> > > http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=about_4&id=amateur.
> > > 
> > > It seems likely that this rule goes back to when all calls
> > began with
> > > W or sometime soon after the beginning of time. But today 
> it would 
> > > seem that using NV4 or some other variation of A4, K4, N4 
> that is a 
> > > legal U.S. prefix would acceptable as it serves to identify the 
> > > district that the operation is in. Apparently not as this
> > rule has not
> > > been updated to reflect currently available prefixes.
> > > 
> > > A secondary issue was the use of the prefix/suffix. 
> > > Apparently us Canadians
> > > must use a suffix (VE3XD/W4) but other reciprocal 
> countries such as 
> > > Europeans use a prefix like W4/G1ABC. Now I know that it
> > has been the
> > > practice for Canadian amateurs to use a suffix when in 
> the U.S. and 
> > > that is what I generally do. But in a prefix contest it 
> makes more 
> > > sense (to me at
> > > least) to use a prefix W4/VE3XD. As a practical matter I 
> often find 
> > > hams coming back to my call before I've given the /W4 and
> > then I need
> > > to repeat the full call to correct them. This never happens
> > when used
> > > as a prefix.
> > > 
> > > I'd be interested in comments on this and what others have 
> > > experienced.
> > > 
> > > 73, Don VE3XD/W4
> > > 
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