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Re: [CQ-Contest] true RST

To: JAMES HEADRICK <W3CP@CHARTER.NET>, vo1he@rac.ca, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] true RST
From: John Geiger <n5ten@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:04:04 -0800 (PST)
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Signal strength is still supposed to be a subjective
estimate.  If you look at the description of the RST
system, it never says anything about the S portion
being an S meter reading.  

73s John AA5JG


--- JAMES HEADRICK <W3CP@CHARTER.NET> wrote:

> Paul, my 1957 ARRL DX log shows a variety of RST
> numbers, and I received 
> almost no 599s. I guess many like me didn't have a S
> meter that meant 
> anything so their signal strength was a subjective
> estimate.
> 
> I think it changed because people wanted more speed
> and less information 
> transfer.
> 
> Perhaps tradition is why it's still there. I liked
> the real RST reports 
> because they gave an idea about propagation and how
> you were doing compared 
> to others.  -Jim  w3cp
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul J. Piercey" <p.piercey@nl.rogers.com>
> To: <w5ov@w5ov.com>; "'Paul O'Kane'"
> <pokane@ei5di.com>
> Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Dumbing-Down Contests?
> 
> 
> > Just a quick question... with follow-ups.
> >
> > At any time in contesting was the signal report
> considered important 
> > enough
> > to be a true RST rather than the standard 599?
> >
> > If so, why did that change?
> >
> > If not, why is it being used at all?
> >
> >
> > 73 -- Paul VO1HE
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> >> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of w5ov@w5ov.com
> >> Sent: February 21, 2008 23:32
> >> To: Paul O'Kane
> >> Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Dumbing-Down Contests?
> >>
> >> EI5DI said:
> >> > It is broke!  It has been broken for over 20
> years - since computer
> >> > logging became the norm.
> >> >
> >> > CT, the first major contest logger, had no
> provision for
> >> logging RST
> >> > Sent as anything other than 59(9).  Since then,
> the
> >> mindless exchange
> >> > of 59(9) has become redundant.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> 599, or more accurately 5NN has been the default
> signal
> >> report for at least the 35 years that I have been
> contesting
> >> / DXing and probably goes back even longer than
> that.
> >>
> >> I think it might be more accurate to say that CT
> followed the
> >> de facto standard of logging 599 as the sent RST
> instead of
> >> causing it.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Bob W5OV
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