The log owner would be identified, as the convention is CALLSIGN.LOG
Why would the header matter? QTH info?? That's public knowledge.
I'd like the OVERALL data for a particular station, not what stations
were logged.
I would also not kill the whole call -- leave enough to identify the
DXCC country...
W9XXXX
KV4XXX
DL3XXX
etc.
This way, multipler rate can be determined.
I think this would be scrubbed enough, but I'm sure it probably won't
meet your needs,
Joe.
73, Gerry
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <w4tv@subich.com> wrote:
>
> Gerry,
>
>> This debate will effect ARRL, not CQ. I'm going to lobby
>> ARRL CAC to make logs public, but simply obfuscate the exact
>> callsigns from the Cabrillo file (a very simple task). In
>> this way, they can, in no way, be used for QSL manipulation,
>> but, lots of other interesting data can be mined.
>
> The Cabrillo header will also need to be removed.
>
> By the way, this would be a perfect solution for CQ as well ...
> convert all calls to random 9 digit sequence. Each log
> could be assigned the 9 digit ID and any time that call
> appeared in any log it would be replaced. By obfuscating the
> calls, any log made public would no longer be individually
> identifiable which would solve most of the privacy concerns.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Hull
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:28 PM
>> To: David Kopacz
>> Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL and Open Logs - Time for the next step?
>>
>>
>> Hi David and company,
>>
>> I understand your viewpoint. However, the cats out of the
>> bag, for the biggest of DX Contests, CQWW.
>>
>> I already have a software strategy tool which plots the QSO
>> rate and Mult rate, per band and multi-band, for stations on
>> the CQWW log site
>> (and any other cabrillo file I import). Mix that with the live feed
>> from your existing contest software, and you add another
>> dimension to the world of contesting - making live strategy
>> decisions based on past performance.
>>
>> This debate will effect ARRL, not CQ. I'm going to lobby
>> ARRL CAC to make logs public, but simply obfuscate the exact
>> callsigns from the
>> Cabrillo file (a very simple task). In this way, they can, in no
>> way, be used for QSL manipulation, but, lots of other
>> interesting data can be mined.
>>
>> David, thanks again for the support of the www.getscores.org
>> live scoring site, and for you and Krassi's generosity with
>> the 6Y1V superstation.
>>
>> 73, Gerry W1VE
>> www.getscores.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, David Kopacz
>> <david.kopacz@aspwebhosting.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dick,
>> >
>> > Let me provide a single example. Let's take 6Y1V and PJ2T, whom are
>> > relatively close geographically and compete in a number of
>> contests,
>> > such as CQWW and ARRL International DX contests.
>> >
>> > Geoff (W0CG) has a great station (PJ2T), has been around a
>> long time
>> > and over the years, for each contest, has developed numerous
>> > strategies to produce winning scores. On the other hand,
>> 6Y1V is new
>> > station, with very competitive hardware but I have not yet
>> gained the
>> > same experience level competing from the Caribbean. Believe
>> me, it is
>> > a learning process.
>> >
>> > Now, Geoff may feel differently, but if I were him, I don't think I
>> > would want my logs opened to my biggest competitor so they can gain
>> > all of the information and experience it has taken me years
>> to garner
>> > in a few weeks of studying my logs. I think this is even
>> more serious
>> > of a problem for single operator stations.
>> >
>> > Personally, I can't imagine that cheating is so ramped that it is
>> > necessary to open logs in order to discover it.
>> >
>> > Someone mentioned that our contacts are open anyway because
>> they are
>> > on open air waves, to which I reply, if someone wants to chase me
>> > around the band and record all of my contacts in a contest,
>> so be it,
>> > but for the contest sponsor to force me to open my logs
>> arbitrarily so
>> > you can personally check to see if I am cheating is wrong.
>> My logs are
>> > my property, not the contest sponsor and when I submit them to them
>> > for adjudication, I do not grant them permission to show
>> them to you
>> > or anyone else.
>> >
>> > Fortunately, we do not live in a society where everyone must be
>> > punished because of the few that break the rules. Why
>> should Amateur
>> > Radio be any different?
>> >
>> > David ~ KY1V
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <Hans,
>> >
>> > <I'm just curious and really don't want to get into this
>> thread other
>> > than to <ask a question. I am not judging anybody's
>> decision, but my
>> > question
>> > is:
>> > <What is the big deal about keeping your contest logs
>> secret and only
>> > for <your eyes? If you submit your logs to LotW they are
>> public for
>> > those who
>> > <are interested. Like I said, I'm just curious. If you
>> were a cheater,
>> > I
>> > <could understand it. But anybody listening to the contest
>> can hear the
>> >
>> > <contact, so why all the furor over submitting a log?
>> >
>> > <Dick
>> > <W0RAA
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> 73,
>>
>> Gerry Hull, W1VE/VE1RM
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