I think the point is "Why can't the running station give his call more
often?" How could it be a waste of time to verify the call of the station
you're calling? You'd still have to wait for him to give his call after he
worked you... unless you plan on asking everyone you work what their call
is. How much time is saved then?
These guys have come to rely on the cluster and it's made them lazy. They
start out giving the call often but when the pileup starts, and they know
it's because someone must have spotted them, they ditch that and leave it to
the cluster to do their identifying.
I've found it's easy to get into a good rythym of giving your call after
every contact on phone and, in CW, the logging programs have macros that can
do it automatically so it shouldn't even be an issue. I've heard many top
ops doing it and it doesn't seem to bother their scores too much. Although,
I do find it funny that I still get guys asking for my call immediately
after I have just given it out.
After all, isn't it in the running station's best interests to ensure that
anyone calling, not just the cluster users, has all the necessary
information to complete the contact as quickly and efficiently as possible?
Why complicate matters by leaving out the first part... the callsign? A
handfull of "CL?" or "your call" wipes out any time advantage they've gained
by not giving the call anyway.
Think of it from a marketing perspective. Your callsign is your ad and if
you don't put it out there enough, you're missing a part of your market?
73 -- Paul VO1HE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Glenn VA3DX
> Sent: December 4, 2008 14:54
> To: David Kopacz
> Cc: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
>
> If you needed ZONE 37 , and the station was gining 59937...
>
> Why wouldnt you call ?
>
> You would be wasteing operating time while you waited for him to ID
>
> VA3DX
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
>
>
> > If I don't hear the DX station give his/her call sign, I don't call.
> > Even if I followed a spot from the cluster, I can only presume the
> > call sign using the frequency. It is each operator's
> responsibility to
> > listen first, and then call the desired station only after
> identifying
> > the station using the frequency.
> >
> > Why would anyone do anything different?
> >
> > It wouldn't hurt my feelings if packet clusters were banned
> altogether
> > in contesting.
> >
> > David ~ KY1V
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:47 AM
> > To: n2ic@arrl.net
> > Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Rising IQ This Year
> >
> > I've (mostly) solved that problem by replying with cl? and not
> > sending my exchange until he responds with his call. That usually
> > works, but sometimes the non-IDer sends TU or ditdit anyway, as in
> > reality, there is no exchange to copy in this contest. If so, he
> > winds up with a ding for N-I-L.
> >
> > Barry W2UP
> >
> > Steve London wrote:
> >> It gets real interesting when you work the zone 33 station without
> > knowing his
> >> call. You send "5nn4 cl?", and all you get is dit dit. So, you say
> > piss on it
> >> and spin the dial...there's lots of other zone 33 stations signing
> > their calls.
> >> And then, after the contest, the same zone 33 station
> tells you that
> > you are
> >> being unsportsmanlike for costing him a NIL penalty. Very funny !
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Steve, N2IC
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA
> >
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