But it's sure funny that ONLY the operators on 3655 have actively complained
about 2nd harmonics.
If the problem was on the transmitter end of the folks on 160, wouldn't it
stand to reason that you'd see 2nd harmonic problems on every one of their
transmissions, up and down the band? Wouldn't there be 2nd harmonic complaints
from operators on 3600 to 3800 kHz? Wouldn't we be hearing from all the other
nets (and alleged nets and ragchew circles and curmudgeons and lord knows what
else) operating in that frequency spectrum?
Isn't it exceedingly odd that the transmitters only have an alleged 2nd
harmonic problem when they're on 1827.5 kHz? That the complaints target
specific people, and that they got posted to the web site within 24 hours of
the end of the contest?
I'm not making excuses for anyone, nor am I ruling out the possibility that in
at least some of the cases, there MAY have been a problem on the transmitter
end -- an allegation that would need supporting evidence before I call it a
hypothesis.
But without evidence to the contrary, frankly, the allegations don't hold up.
And while I'm thinking of it... why are we (or at least some of us) making
excuses for the anti-contest bunch? Why are their complaints -- with no
evidence (time? day? exact frequency? who was being called by the alleged
interfering station?) being accepted at face value, yet the contesters who have
been smeared on that web site are the ones who have to face the music and
defend themselves?
73
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Stockton [mailto:k5go@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:48 PM
To: wn3vaw@verizon.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] I've heard it all now!
Ron,
If someone in the midwest will put their SDR with Skimmer on 3650, covering
plus/minus about 48 Khz from that frequency during the CQ 160M Contest,
everyone will be able to see the results - a nice list of who have a second
harmonic that can be heard, when it was heard, and how loud it was relative to
the noise on the receiver end.
Although my interests are clear, consider the following. Let's say there was
an amateur band that went from 900 - 925 Khz and there were those who operated
that band who could be heard with pretty strong signals on 1800 - 1850. Those
who are topband enthusiasts would be REALLY, REALLY upset. Not a lot of
difference except I doubt these guys have any problems copying each other
through the second harmonics that happen to land on top of them.
I would be more likely to buy into a notion of a problem being on the receive
end or out of the control of the transmitting guy if they were not exactly
double the fundamental frequency and and heard by many people. It is not just
a couple of guys who have heard some pretty strong signals propagated for over
a thousand miles. It is many.
Stan, K5GO
---- Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net> wrote:
> Let's apply a little use of Occam's Razor to this.
>
> If all of the stations listed on the 3655 group's web site had 2nd harmonic
> problems while on 160, wouldn't there be a little bit more heard about it?
> OO notices? Comments from other operators? Gripes from users of other
> frequencies?
>
> Therefore: If all these guys had malfunctioning stations, surely they would
> have heard something about it by now. AFAIK, they haven't.
>
> OTOH, if only one or two stations are claiming that they heard all of these
> alleged 2nd harmonics, and no one else has... that's a clear indication
> (granted, not proof) that the problem is on their end, not the transmitter's
> end.
>
> The defense rests. And after fighting with spyware on W9UK's computer half
> the night, believe me, I need the rest!
>
> 73
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of KI9A@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: n2ic@arrl.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] I've heard it all now!
>
>
>
> No, I am laughing. Who's site is this? It obviously is an anti-contester,
> with a very small mind, judging by the little man pissing.
>
> I know at LEAST two of the call on the "wall of shame". They are locals.
> They both run small stations. I REFUSE to believe any of this, until I hear
> it
> myself. I have been a ham, wait, a VERY active ham, for over 30 years, and
> have
> never, to my knowledge, heard a 2nd harmonic of a 160 station, on 80
> meters.
> As a matter of fact, I will make a check on a couple of these guys who I
> know, ask them to operate on 160, and see if I hear them on 80.
>
> I call B.S. on this site.
>
> 73- Chuck
>
>
> In a message dated 12/8/2008 11:56:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> n2icarrl@gmail.com writes:
>
> http://3655khz.com/shame.html
>
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