Art, K3KU said:
"Packet, Skimmer, Call History Databases, Dueling CQ's... C**p!! Who needs
musicians, Martha? Just wind up the player piano!"
KØRC says:
"But there's a strong market for both manual and player pianos. Why would
anyone buying a manual piano want to "judge" how the player piano should
operate? Isn't that why there is both assisted and unassisted contest
categories in the first place?"
Doug, KR2Q said:
"If I want to test the waters on 10 meters (whether I'm qrp or a big M/M),
wouldn't it be far
more "efficient" for me to simply spot myself? That is not the basis of
contesting. If you
can be "loud" and gather a crowd and some of them happen to spot you, fine.
But initiating
it yourself? Totally different."
KØRC says:
"Absolutely it would be far more efficient to simply spot yourself. I thought
creating separate categories WAS to define several different 'basis for
contesting.' Why would you, as an unassisted participant, care whether an
assisted operator could spot themselves or not? As you state, assisted and
non-assisted are totally different."
Yuri, K3Bu said:
"Besides, wouldn't it be "fun" if everyone spotted themselves? Talking about
overload. Maybe we do not need radios, just click on internet or have skimmer
and clicker do it for us?"
KØRC says:
"I seriously doubt you could overload the internet. Terabytes of data are
transported worldwide ever second. Granted, some of the spotting network nodes
may need to be 'supercharged', but the software tools are already in place that
eliminates duplicate spots, regions, call areas, etc.
"Isn't the basic idea of the spotting network to alert the assisted contesters
'who's on and where'? My basic question remains, why are we putting artificial
limits on generating this information? Why do you care who creates the spot in
the first place? These arcane rules are creating additional consternation about
'cheating.'
Mike, N3LI said:
"In addition, the DX clusters are there for DX'ers. That they get hijacked by
contesters is one thing, but when we talk about posting bogus info, or to
bring them down, that's not a good thing.
KØRC says:
"WHY does this myth continue to be perpetuated? The original DXCluster software
was created by contesters (Dick Newell - AK1A, et. al.) to help contesters
during contests. It had nothing to do with casual, daily DXing. I know first
hand because I ran one of the original 3 networked contest nodes in the
Minneapolis, MN area. I still have the license, software disks, SysOp manual,
TNC's and hardware from those purchases."
Nobody said:
"What about the new Xtreme category?"
KØRC says:
"I'm so glad you asked! Maybe this is the category to first allow self-spotting
to 'see how it goes', along with all the other innovative technology
advancements.
"But my basic question remains unanswered. WHY, if the spotting network can be
used in (most) assisted categories, can't a station advertise they are on a
particular band and mode - looking for contacts. The recipients of the spots
STILL need a receiver to actually hear the signal and exchange a contest report
in both directions on the airwaves. This has nothing to do with "Internet
Contesting," which is a completely different topic.
"I am still not convinced there is a logical, rational reason why you cannot
self spot in the assisted category during a contest. And as another group
member pointed out, self-spotting brings the wrath from some network users even
during non-contesting times."
73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
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