Matts, with 59 plus 60 signal no one can sound perfect. Most modern radio
have only 30-35 db of IMD on TX. "Linear amps" often make it even worse. If
I were on the CC I would allow any power as long as the occupied bandwidth
is the same as that of a QRP station.
73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr@gmail.com>
To: "Andy V. Melanyin" <ua3dpx@mail.ru>
Cc: <k5zd@charter.net>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
> This is a much smaller problem. but always an argument that some
> QROstations
> wish to hide behind.... "Yes, I run too much power, but I am smart enough
> to
> turn my knobs correctly"... I sound perfect, but I am S9 plus 60....
>
> 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/14 Andy V. Melanyin <ua3dpx@mail.ru>
>
>> The other not very little problem is not only power but pushing all the
>> driving knobs to maximum values (proc, drive, mic gaine). At some
>> stations
>> you can hear everything besides the operator voice ...
>> 73! Andy UA3DPX/RM3F
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Strandberg" <sm6lrr@gmail.com>
>>
>> To: <k5zd@charter.net>
>> Cc: <e73m@e73m.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:46 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>
>>
>> Randy,
>>>
>>> I agree that local groups, individuals or national associations could
>>> and
>>> should support Contest Committees in solving such issues, but the
>>> overall
>>> responsibility definitely must be on the organizers themselves.
>>>
>>> Nobody would be happier than me if we did not need to discuss issues
>>> like
>>> Power Cheating on reflectors. I would have enjoyed contesting
>>> tremendously
>>> if all competitiors by own initiative understood how exciting contesting
>>> can
>>> be obeying ALL rules.
>>>
>>> It is very important that the expression "Zero Tolerance Against
>>> Cheating"
>>> is followed. There are too many discussions going on that adds
>>> flexibility
>>> also within the organizations. I have heard too much talks also from
>>> committee members that they do not see such big problems with power
>>> cheating, because 3 kW instead of 1 or 1.5 kW only adds just a few dB
>>> and
>>> they "can live with that"... Also reference to the past that cheating
>>> has
>>> always taken place, seems to be a justification why we should look
>>> between
>>> the fingers.
>>>
>>> If we do not get a grip on the existing power cheating, contesting will
>>> not
>>> be a very attractive sport in years to come.
>>>
>>> The contest committees themselves must also of course make sure that ALL
>>> committee members realize the full meaning of expression Zero Tolerance
>>> and
>>> follow not only Assisted-rules but also Power-rules. "Responsible
>>> operation
>>> of an amplifier" means: Not to exceed the power limitations of the
>>> contest
>>> and nothing else...
>>>
>>> If organizers are not capable of handling Power Cheating, I can see a
>>> future
>>> where new associations/clubs are founded with focus on Fair Play
>>> Radiosport.
>>> Perhaps in the beginning, such groups will be considered a bit odd, but
>>> the
>>> more people realize the serious situation with Power cheating, the more
>>> support such groups will get and we can perhaps clean contesting from
>>> the
>>> inside.
>>>
>>> 73 de RA/SM6LRR, Mats
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/10/14 Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd@charter.net>
>>>
>>> Why must the responsibility always be on the Contest Committee many
>>>> thousands of miles away? Who will be the first local group to stand up
>>>> to
>>>> the cheaters in their midst both directly, face to face, and by
>>>> reporting
>>>> them to the contest sponsors? What are you afraid of?
>>>>
>>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From:
>>>> > cq-contest-bounces@contesting.**com<cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com>[mailto:
>>>> cq-contest-
>>>> > bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mats Strandberg
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:42 PM
>>>> > To: e73m@e73m.com
>>>> > Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] How blatant can you get?
>>>> >
>>>> > This is what I intended to express...
>>>> >
>>>> > The power cheating is the big CHALLENGE of the present and future
>>>> > contesting. WHO will be the first organizer deciding not to be an
>>>> ostridge
>>>> > concerning Power cheating?
>>>> >
>>>> > 73 de SM6LRR, Mats
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2011/10/13 <e73m@e73m.com>
>>>> >
>>>> > > Good question,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Well, I will try again to bump the debate.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > It is not fault of sellers but users who buy them and then drive >
>>>> > > >
>>>> them
>>>> > > "responsibly".
>>>> > > PVRC webinar from last Sunday, see at
>>>> > > http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_**2011.wmv<http://pvrc.org/webinar/cqww_2011.wmv>,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > addressed issue of power and
>>>> > > all I can get from those in charge of CQWW CC is :"be responsible
>>>> > > and
>>>> > fair".
>>>> > > Another interesting thing was coined from K1DG and mentioned at
>>>> > > webinar is SSSS (See Something, Say Something), related to 9/11 > >
>>>> events
>>>> > > and translated into contesting.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Does CC wants us to be alert for big amps and report it to them? If
>>>> > > >
>>>> > we
>>>> > > need to police contesters with links to sites showing blatantly
>>>> > > their
>>>> > > big amps (even stacked one above another with air vents moved on
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > side) , then why we need CC?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This coming CQ WW phone I will do only 100w and I invite CC to > >
>>>> appoint
>>>> > > observer to come and check my power during the contest. Hope some >
>>>> > > >
>>>> will
>>>> > > follow my footsteps and say the same but I really doubt.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 73 Danny E73M,
>>>> > > http://www.e73m.com
>>>> > >
>>>> > > How blatant can you get?
>>>> > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>>>> > > > Check out this advertisement for a Henry 8K-Ultra from W7RF's
>>>> > > > Radiodan website (
>>>> > > > http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/**hf_price98.htm<http://www.radiodan.com/Henry/hf_price98.htm>)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > <quote>
>>>> > > > Beautiful condition and ready for the contest season! You know >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > those
>>>> > > > BIG signals coming from Europe on 160 and 80? Want to know what >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > they
>>>> > > > use?
>>>> > > > Yep, a Henry 8K.
>>>> > > > And that's what you need for yourself to get through the noise.
>>>> > > > Rated 5KW output (conservative)
>>>> > > > Remote control with 20 foot cable
>>>> > > > 240 VAC single phase
>>>> > > > 30 day warranty
>>>> > > > 8 presets
>>>> > > > in service up until recently and ready for contest season!
>>>> > > > Checked and tested by Henry factory less than 1 year ago </quote>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 73,
>>>> > > > Dave AB7E
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
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