Using skimmer requires a completely different tool set to use it 
effectively.
How much skill does it really take to turn a knob?
Mike W0MU
On 12/2/2012 10:05 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
 Tom, I think maybe you misunderstood where I'm coming from.  Unlike 
Joe, W4TV, I believe that using Skimmer is just like using a cluster, 
only more powerful.  I have never argued for Skimmer use *not* putting 
someone in the assisted category.  I was simply trying to refute 
Charly's argument that it takes all the skill out of operating.
 One of the interesting things about CW Skimmer is that it is 
cumulative. For a single op, that means that you can mute the Skimmer 
SDR while you're transmitting, and it will pick up with spotting as 
soon as you stop.  I see this happen all the time here - Skimmer will 
spot a station or two as soon as I am not transmitting any longer.
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
On 12/2/2012 10:29 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
 Charly, the only thing that Skimmer replaces is the physical act of 
tuning the radio.
 
 For me, the objectionable part of skimmer is the removal or lessening 
of operator skill. I equate it to using a code reader. Local skimmer, 
used in single op, replaces the three acts of tuning the radio, 
copying the call, and entering the call in a data base. It gives the 
local station a form of automatic spotting system.
 The local technical requirements of isolating the receiver from the 
transmitter are significant on lower bands with high power, but it is 
possible to do. A conventional SDR here overloaded badly from the 
transmitter on 160 meters, but I'm sure that could have been cured. 
On 80 meters and up a local SDR here can get into noise floor without 
local transmitter problems. The result would be a window filled with 
locally generated "spots" that require no operator assistance.
 I'm not saying this is good or bad, but it sure seems to be contrary 
to real single-op unassisted. With a low noise floor, a bandmap could 
fill with hundreds of useful locally generated spots. There isn't 
much difference between that and using a cluster.
73 Tom
 
 
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