Re: [CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread

["Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc@gmail.com>]

Try tis one http://rate.pileup.ru/vlog.php?call=6474

73, Igor UA9CDC

P.S. Our 6V7V call was busted 270 time in CQWW CW but the above one is 
really one off...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Smith N4ZR" <n4zr@contesting.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread


> Gee, that's not as bad as I thought it would be, given the number of logs 
> and QSOs in CQWW.  Maybe we contesters are better than we give ourselves 
> credit for!
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> For spots, please go to your favorite
> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>
> On 2/22/2013 2:28 PM, Valery Petrov wrote:
> > I have just created a simple tool to create virtual logs and play with 
> > busted calls.
> > Based on CQ WW CW 2012 public logs.
> >
> > Enter any call and see how many people have it in their logs.
> >
> > http://rate.pileup.ru/vlog.php?call=EK3LR
> >
> > 73!
> > Valery
> > R5GA
> >
> >
> > 21.02.2013, 05:18, "w5ov@w5ov.com" <w5ov@w5ov.com>:
> > > Add the 20 EK1LZ spots to all the others and it becomes a big problem. 
> > > 20
> > > bad calls each spotted 20 times is 400 bad spots. When you look at the
> > > problem collectively, it becomes more apparent as to the impact.
> > >
> > > If the 20 EK1LZ spots were the only errors, that would not be so bad - I
> > > guess... but that's not the case.
> > >
> > > W5OV
> > >
> > > >   HS0ZCW wrote:  Just so you know, I am breaking my face with a grin at 
> > > > all
> > > >   the bad news re Skimmer...
> > > >
> > > >   Let me combine these two comments from my 1991 ARRL CW experience 
> > > > with
> > > >   over
> > > >   200 QSO worked by robot.  I was #5 at Dayton and twice EU CW 
> > > > simulated
> > > >   pileup champ with about 60% correct calls.  IBM AT with 12 MHz clock 
> > > > using
> > > >   TI DSP board at 30 MHz beat me badly with 80 %.  I got humble and let 
> > > > it
> > > >   run
> > > >   on the air.  No problem apart from the band opening with the ringing
> > > >   signals.  I was better then knowing to EXPECT KC1XX, W3LPL, K3LR and 
> > > > all
> > > >   the
> > > >   other big guns I worked million times.  It was not my ears and CW 
> > > > brain
> > > >   behind it but PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.  My repeated CW robot efforts recently
> > > >   managed Morse Runner in HST mode at 50 wpm and 3K points.  My score 
> > > > was
> > > >   1K7.
> > > >
> > > >   Now I can use master.dta for additional verification on my GHz TB PC.
> > > >   EK3LR
> > > >   is not there but I might miss TO5X, HA30S!
> > > >
> > > >   Beware that we catch Skimmer faults on the callsigns we mainly know 
> > > > but he
> > > >   digs a lot of weak ones we might skip in time/space collision. 
> > > > Skimmer
> > > >   does
> > > >   it 24/7 with accuracy better than 1 %.  Digital modes entered 21st 
> > > > century
> > > >   while hams are in the dark with SSB speech recognition despite 
> > > > limited
> > > >   spelling vocabulary.
> > > >
> > > >   Thanks to Tor, N4OGW for great work on SDR contesting!  ARRL & IARU:
> > > >   Hamradio is the best scientific hobby of 21st century.
> > > >
> > > >   LP MMM S56A
> > > >
> > > >   P.S.  Bob, EK1LZ was spoted only 20 times!  I forgot to check OC 
> > > > Krassy.
> > > >   I
> > > >   am more on numbers than Latin - hi.
> > > >
> > > >   -----Original Message-----
> > > >   From: w5ov@w5ov.com [mailto:w5ov@w5ov.com]
> > > >   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:22 PM
> > > >   To: Marijan Miletic, S56A
> > > >   Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > > >   Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Summarizing the Skimmer Accuracy Thread
> > > >
> > > >   Mario,
> > > >
> > > >   Your analysis is not correct. It has nothing to do with EK3LR spots 
> > > > as I
> > > >   would not have seen them. Locally, this is blocked from the K3LR 
> > > > system
> > > >   and
> > > >   we don't see them or send them out.
> > > >
> > > >   It is the many, many other errors that persisted throughout the 
> > > > contest of
> > > >   calls being spotted wrong, over and over and over.
> > > >
> > > >   Some examples:
> > > >   C6AGP was spotted as many other callsigns HA30S (H A Three Zero S) 
> > > > was
> > > >   spotted as T30S and others N2NT was spotted as T2NT K1LZ was spotted 
> > > > as
> > > >   EK1LZ et al ad infinitum
> > > >
> > > >   Yes, there were many others and they varied.
> > > >
> > > >   It became exhausting to clear the bandmap of all of these repeated 
> > > > errors
> > > >   over and over and over again.
> > > >
> > > >   It got to the point that there seemed to be more busted spots than 
> > > > good
> > > >   ones. At that point, the value of this over the old-fashioned(?) 
> > > > human
> > > >   packet network really becomes a concern.
> > > >
> > > >   Skimmer is a good thing, but propagating these repeated errors all 
> > > > over
> > > >   the
> > > >   globe makes little sense to me.
> > > >
> > > >   W5OV
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