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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Survey

To: Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@contesting.com>, CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Survey
From: Steve Dyer <w1srd@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: Steve Dyer <w1srd@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
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Well said Pete!


An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually 
winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its 
opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is 
familiarized with the ideas from the beginning. 

— Max Planck

73,
Steve
W1SRD




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 From: Pete Smith N4ZR <n4zr@contesting.com>
To: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Survey
 
Andy, I wouldn't let N6TJ get your goat.  He's been off on this trip, along 
with EI5DI and a few others, for so long thatmost of us have learned to hit the 
delete key and move on.  Not all of us old goats feel that way (I entered my 
first contest in 1955).

What these guys don't seem to grasp is that the contesting community in the 
United States is, by and large, older than that inany other country.  In a few 
years our entire generation (Jim's and mine) will be gone, and the young will 
inherit the contesting lead.  For you, combining computers and radio is second 
nature, as well as a lot of fun.

For those, young and old, who prefer their contesting unassisted, god bless 
'em,  Of course, there are special skills involved.  But let's also agree that 
there should be separate classes for those of us who do, from time to time, 
dabble in the Internet and other forms of technical innovation, along with our 
radios.

To those who cheat, I despise you, but I move on.  I will not surrender to you, 
which is what merging assisted and unassisted would involve.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 3/19/2013 11:49 AM, Andrew Warycka wrote:
> I'm normally a passive reader on here, as I prefer to absorb information
> and keep my finger on the pulse of the contesting community, but I have to
> reply to this.
> 
> So very sadly, today's Generation X has no clue on how to operate, and it
>> shows.  Oh boy, skimmer.  Let's see how good ZD8LID really  is:  we will
>> all
>> be S-5 and zero beat on his signal.  Good luck on getting ZD8LID active in
>> your next contest.  But hey, look at all the new "operators" we've brought
>> into contesting.  Oh boy..............
>> 
> As a member of "Generation X" at 34 (in fact, one year removed from
> Generation Y), I'm not going to just sit here and take this sort of feces
> flinging. I've been contesting for over 15 years now, was a part of the
> effort that holds the records for both the June and September ARRL VHF
> contest all-time scoring records, and was on the winning NAQP SSB team in
> January 2012, to name some of my more notable contesting highlights. Modest
> accomplishments to be sure compared to many here, but apparently I have "no
> clue on how to operate."
> 
> With attitude like this towards younger (younger? I have a kid old enough
> to be a ham, for Marconi's sake) hams, it's amazing any new blood comes
> into amateur radio - especially into contesting. Perhaps you should put
> away that broad brush you've been painting with and realize that not all of
> those damn kids on your lawn are incompetent operators.
> 
> Another way to go back to real men operating skills, let's convert  these
>> contests into the NA SPRINT format -- for 48 hours.  You call CQ, you give
>> up your frequency and QSY at least 5 kcs. before the next CQ.   I don't
>> think packet, skimmer and RBN crutches will do too well in that format and
>> if the goal here is solely to eliminate packet cheaters, umm, I think that
>> might work.   Anyone here ready to MAN-UP for something like this?
> 
> Okay, fine. I'm "man enough" for this - are you? Are you ready to put your
> money where your mouth is, or is this just idle chatter? Sprint is actually
> my favorite contest. NAQP is second (which doesn't allow assistance
> anyway), and WPX is third - and when I can put in a full effort in WPX, I
> go unassisted. When I can only put in a few hours, I do tend to run
> assisted since I like to maximize the amount of points I generate for my
> club, even though I won't compare favorably in the results on a personal
> level. I guess /that/ is what makes me such an incompetent boob behind the
> VFO. So glad you helped me figure it out.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> Andy, NY7N (ex-KB0WJO, W2AJW)
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