Your RBN spots on 40m in Europe are better then those of K1LZ, but you
suffer on 80m.
A better use of the 80m log periodic would be to use the height and boom
length for a gain maximized yagi.
I guess that gives you another 3db.
WPX is still a dx contest, the number of prefixes in Europe is endless...
With propagation on 10m you would have had a big advantage from GA.
73
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Rick Dougherty
Sent: Mittwoch, 8. Mai 2013 18:58
To: Bill K4XS
Cc: CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is the wpx a prefix test or dx contest?
Hi Bill et al....guess I need to make a few additional comments to defend
myself...(is that being self serving?)
The historical data I study after each contest consists of skimmer reports,
signal levels, reverse beacon signal levels and trends, and actual qso data.
For many years it is definately apparent that there is signal level
differences in Europe on ALL bands when comparing the SE US and the NE
US....I would like to go one further why not let the WRTC competition have
some stations set up in Ga, and maybe a few in Ohio, and Minnesota and of
course a few on the west coast...it is the same country!, So what say? Any
reason why it is not even being considered? It would by the reasons I keep
hearing here, be a fair and level competition.
I wrote the first email to bring to the attention of all that the WPX
contest does not follow its stated objectives...the objective being working
prefixes...the fact that the rules allow different point values is what
causes the skewed and biased scoring advantages handed to the NE US....plain
and simple...and then there are those who say take it or leave it! Yes it is
what it is, but life in full of changes, and we in the contesting community
need to continue to evolve and change as necessary.
One member of this reflector said I was being self serving...in asking for
the 3 point value for each contact, that is not self serving..it would still
take a distance based or bonus value to make my score more representative.
So in the effort to be self serving, 3 points plus a 50% bonus for every
contact is what I really want.
Another member of this reflector stated that I simply did not work enough
6 pointers on the low bands...duh!!!! I have known for many of the 50 +
years that I have been contesting that on the low bands my station needs to
maximize 6 point qso's...you can't work what you cannot hear...unlike a
single op who spends a few hours on 80, and some time on 40...my operator
team is sitting on the band every hour it is open, cqing, and responding to
skimmer spots in hope that a station worth 6 points will call in...my MULT
station on 80m has a decent 4 square for transmitting and 880 ft
beverages....any NE station with 60 ft high inverted V can clean our
clocks...my RUN station on 80m has a 12 element Log Periodic array at 140
ft...it has 11.6 dbi gain...and a boom length of 225 ft....and we cannot run
EU hardly ever! Historic data from the reverse beacon network shows 6-8 db
differences between my station and the NE M-M's....there are a number of 2nd
and 3rd tier EU stations who do not have enough signal level to make it past
the first hop. Those who do make it to the SE US are down in signal
level...so there are physically not enough stations who are workable in the
first place. The well goes dry very early for the SE US. And don't think I
don't know that W0, W8, W5 and W6's don't have the same problems.
One of the pre contest briefings with the NQ4I team of op's is to make every
effort to get the 6 pointers.... we leave very little on the table, we work
every station we can, and we listen extra heard to see if maybe there might
be another 6 pointer calling down in the noise...
I don't intend to go quietly in the night...I intend to bring the
in-equity's as I see them up and discuss them...if you think I am whining,
you got another thought coming.
de Rick NQ4I
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:26 AM, <Cqtestk4xs@aol.com> wrote:
> Never said it was easy from out there, just that it was easier to work
> three and six pointers from NE than SE.
>
> You guys out west get your turns in SS and other domestic contests.
>
> 73 Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 5/8/2013 10:54:44 A.M. Coordinated Universal Time,
> w0mu@w0mu.com writes:
>
> Try it from Colorado or anywhere further west.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> On 5/7/2013 2:25 PM, Cqtestk4xs@aol.com wrote:
> > I'm not for changing the rules but.........
> >
> > If one thinks the difference in propagation relatively minor you
> > haven't operated from both places. I had a friend come down from
> > W2 land years
> ago
> > and worked in the WAE CW. He was listening on 80 and wanted to
> > know
> when
> > the EU stations got loud. I told him that was as loud as they
> > usually
> get.
> >
> > In the winter K1s can run EU almost 24 hours a day on 40 for CQWW.
Try
> > that from here.
> >
> > I'm not saying we don't have advantages, but we do NOT have pretty
> > much
> the
> > same prop as K1 does.
> >
> > My previous post summed up SE strategy, work quantity and not quality.
> It
> > worked for me this year.
> >
> > Bill K4XS/KH7XS
> >
> > In a message dated 5/7/2013 8:15:54 P.M. Coordinated Universal
> > Time, xdavid@cis-broadband.com writes:
> >
> > In any case I suspect
> > that many of us not living on the east coast find the distinction
> > between Georgia and Massachusetts to be relatively minor
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