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Re: [CQ-Contest] 2 point rule

To: "'Bob Kupps'" <n6bk@yahoo.com>, <k5zd@charter.net>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 2 point rule
From: "Tonno Vahk" <tonno.vahk@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 14:18:45 +0200
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What do you mean by all scores? I did not handpick, I took all the top EU/US
MM scores.

 

You obviously cannot use all scores meaning the ones that are not
competitive or comparable. And If we take the top SO, MS, M2 I suspect the
picture would be about the same. On a quick glance I see that in SSB part EU
stations seem to edge out and in CW rather US for some reason (just like in
MM).

 

Anyhow I believe that MM scores are most representative as they take the
band change/optimization strategy out of the picture and show us a full 48
hour comparison over all bands.

 

I am just comparing US/EU here not talking about z8, etc..

 

Anyhow, you are of course welcome to make and present any statistics you
find interesting.

 

73

Tonno

Es5tv

 

From: Bob Kupps [mailto:n6bk@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 1:40 PM
To: Tonno Vahk; k5zd@charter.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 2 point rule

 

 

>But looking at the CQWW MM claimed scores this year I suddenly find us
>having a really great competition with K3LR and W3LPL. Isn't that
wonderful?

Hi Tonno, yes it's wonderful but it's also purely coincidence!

>Looking at EU/US MM top 10 (below) I conclude that the scoring is totally
>fair. EU and US are mixed and all depends on the conditions and the effort.
>What else would be a better indicator of the level playing field than MM
>scores??

 

Oh, I don't know....using all the scores instead of just the ones you pick
to reach your 'conclusion' perhaps?

 

73 Bob HS0ZIA

 

 

On Friday, November 29, 2013 5:19 PM, Tonno Vahk <tonno.vahk@gmail.com>
wrote:

Generally I have been very indifferent on the scoring as to my mind NA, AF,
EU, etc are in totally different categories and who cares how the other
continent is being scored.

But looking at the CQWW MM claimed scores this year I suddenly find us
having a really great competition with K3LR and W3LPL. Isn't that wonderful?

Looking at EU/US MM top 10 (below) I conclude that the scoring is totally
fair. EU and US are mixed and all depends on the conditions and the effort.
What else would be a better indicator of the level playing field than MM
scores??

SSB

ES9C    19531    206    818    48    40,682,496    
K3LR    14363    202    805    48    39,054,481    
DR1A    16154    200    793    48    34,127,424
W3LPL    10709    198    750    48    28,061,748
II9P    14573    191    737    48    26,949,120    
WE3C    9993    194    739    48    26,013,906
LZ9W    12562    193    723    48    21,748,588
KL7RA    12913    176    506    48    21,358,194    
ED1R    11944    185    671    48    20,629,600
DFØHQ    11010    196    769    48    20,177,185

CW

K3LR    11884    210    840    48    35,226,450
W3LPL    11643    206    839    48    34,338,700
ES9C    15508    219    875    48    32,562,910    
9A1A    14366    209    827    48    30,040,892
W2FU    10497    198    783    48    28,793,331
WE3C    9596    199    799    48    27,379,132
DR1A    12785    212    832    48    26,915,364
ED6A    14480    203    737    48    24,012,300
LZ9W    12199    212    797    44    23,589,411
NR4M    8946    192    722    48    23,407,540

73
Tonno
ES5TV


-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Randy Thompson K5ZD
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 5:42 AM
To: 'Bob Kupps'; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 2 point rule

Attempts to introduce scoring changes for other areas of the world was
included as a question topic in the 2013 CQ WW participant survey.  Review
the voting results and the comments in the pdf file at
http://cqww.com/blog/?p=150

The first level challenge is to define the problem (or even if there is
one).  Then to define what the scoring should optimize.  Only then can you
rationally discuss the options.

Maintaining the status quo is strong with reflector readers.

Randy, K5ZD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bob Kupps
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:22 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] 2 point rule
> 
> Hi and thanks for all the comments.
> 
> I am persuaded by the arguments in favor of retaining the 2 point rule 
> for NA. In fact those arguments apply to other continents as well and 
> IMO applying the 2 point rule equally across the globe for all intra- 
> continental Qs would seem to go a long way toward reducing by half the 
> penalty for crossing over arbitrary continental boundaries (3-2 vs 3-1).
> 
> Would this rule change be an affront to anyone's sense of good 
> sportsmanship and fair play?
> 
> 73 Bob
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