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Re: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of Pete Se

To: ve4xt@mymts.net
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of Pete Seeger
From: Mike Reublin NF4L <nf4l@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:18:10 -0400
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I'm not a lawyer, and I haven't ever stayed at a Holiday XPress Inn, but I'll 
wager that the IRS would be interested in monetary prizes awarded to U.S. 
amateurs.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:22 PM, <ve4xt@mymts.net> <ve4xt@mymts.net> wrote:
> 
> Keith raises an interesting point, and it would be interesting to hear a 
> legal opinion.
> 
> Sec. 97.113 specifically precludes communications for hire or for material 
> compensation.
> 
> So, clearly, Yaesu may NOT pay you to operate an FTdx5000, regardless of 
> whether the intent is for you to espouse the radio's benefits. The ARRL may 
> only pay wages to the W1AW control operator if the station is transmitting at 
> least 40 hours of code practice on at least 6 bands. And so on.
> 
> But does that actually preclude the awarding of prizes to winning operators? 
> You're not being "hired" for the contest, and any material compensation is 
> solely dependent on winning and only occurs after adjudication of the 
> results. So nobody is paying you to operate.
> 
> I'm sure everyone here has an opinion on my question, but the only true test 
> is an actual legal opinion OR the result of a test case. Has anyone ever been 
> prosecuted for winning that Bermuda contest that once upon a time gave a trip 
> to Bermuda to the winner? For getting a bottle of Ed's wine?
> 
> There are a number of reasons why prize money might not be a good idea. Can 
> you imagine if there are lawsuits now, when the only thing at stake is a hunk 
> of wood, what litigation might be like if there was money involved?
> 
> I'm just not entirely sure 97.113 is one of them.
> 
> 73, Kelly
> ve4xt 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:01 AM, "Keith Dutson" <kdutson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> No mistake in the USA, where making money with ham radio is against the law.
>> 
>> I am involved in all sorts of projects to enrich ham radio, but rarely find
>> ANY ham willing to help.  I am always looking for a way to turn this
>> attitude around.
>> 
>> 73, Keith NM5G
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Bokverket
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:10 PM
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of Pete
>> Seeger
>> 
>> Reading Colin's post,  the ham radio contesting community must have made
>> some mistake somewhere along the road. Where is the prize money?  Big outlay
>> for antenna farms, a diploma as reward.  ESports small outlay for the app,
>> big rewards in terms of ad money as you are watched playing on YouTube,
>> sponsors etc.
>> 
>> Ad money goes where the audiences are.  Of course YouTube and related
>> technology was not available "back then", but with the fabled inventiveness
>> of hams, why didn't we invent it?  Like we (VE3...) did with the Skimmer, DX
>> cluster, repeaters.  And seriously, judging from some YouTube clips of
>> contesters, what's the fun watching someone yelling CQ contest and saying
>> some strange letters plus typing at a keyboard and staring at some dials?
>> 
>> Best, reminiscencing,
>> 
>> Goran/SM0DRD
>> 
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